Samplitude sound quality

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by mplancke

Not really, I hear definite differences between buffer size choices, ASIO and other wise. It has been stated by various developers that many plugins work and sound better with higher buffer sizes and higher sample rates.

Are you joking?

[shanabit]

Time to Moan Zone this one ladies

Is this still about SAMPS sound or have you ladies gotten off track here

[mplancke]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

Are you joking?

No.

Mark

[mplancke]

Originally Posted by RTR

Checked out your site..MAN I sure like "the big list of cool stuff in the studio" Nice!!

Thank you, it's been many years in the making.

Mark

[winrar]

Originally Posted by shanabit

Time to Moan Zone this one ladies

Is this still about SAMPS sound or have you ladies gotten off track here

eehe

actually samp is nailed to NULL as with rest of the DAWs ,
but, reality hurts...

so, it became personal issue... and i am a having great time here.

[winrar]

Originally Posted by mplancke

Thank you, it's been many years in the making.

Mark

oooh., thats sweet.... isnt it mark....
you see, you still have some funs here...


btw

what is your best seller production from your huge list of production...
whats the band/artist name ?
how m,any copies they sold ?

or are you gonna ignore this question, as if its not convenient for you to answer

[shanabit]

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[mplancke]

I haven't heard much about the project I posted earlier,

Has anyone managed any progress?

Mark

[siriusbliss]

Originally Posted by mplancke

I haven't heard much about the project I posted earlier,

Has anyone managed any progress?

Mark

No need to here (plus no time lately). I already know where I stand

Greg

[anguswoodhead]

Thanks for that Shane - I would have banned winrar pages ago.
I am sick of wading thru the crap to get to the info about DAW's etc.

BTW loved the compressed snare sound on your opening page there Mark - very cool - nice verb too - do you remember the mix / recording chain for the snare sound?
Nice gear list too mate - I respect you if others here don't.
Congrats on the CMT thing also.
Peace.

[Gibson]

Hey Anguswood
I can't find info on the Yamaha RM2408. I had a guy drop it off to me, he's selling it really cheap for $500. But 4 of the chanels don't work. I was just wondering if it's worth buying it and getting it fixed.
I currently use a soundcraft 90s Spirit Studio 24:8:2. With all outboard inserted to every Chanel.
What's your opinion on the Yamy and do u know what they were worth back when they were new. And would it sound better that my soundcraft.

[anguswoodhead]

Originally Posted by Gibson

Hey Anguswood
I can't find info on the Yamaha RM2408. I had a guy drop it off to me, he's selling it really cheap for $500. But 4 of the chanels don't work. I was just wondering if it's worth buying it and getting it fixed.
I currently use a soundcraft 90s Spirit Studio 24:8:2. With all outboard inserted to every Chanel.
What's your opinion on the Yamy and do u know what they were worth back when they were new. And would it sound better that my soundcraft.

Sorry mate - no idea.
Some old consoles were good (Neve, API etc ) but where Yamaha fits into that I have no idea.
Best to call or e-mail Joe Malone or Warren Huck or even Mick from Mixmasters in Adelaide.
These guys should know whether it's worth persevering with.

[Gibson]

Mick Wordly! Na he would only try and sell me a Toft.
I just thought u might of known only because you used Yamys in the photo u posted.

[anguswoodhead]

Originally Posted by Gibson

Mick Wordly! Na he would only try and sell me a Toft.
I just thought u might of known only because you used Yamys in the photo u posted.

Yeah probably - but he has been around a while and if you just ring asking his advice on 'your' vintage Yamaha he could have some pointers etc.
Joe Malone will know - he recommended the PM2000 as a good recording / mixing console to me a while back.
I was thinking of getting one for the big studio but the owner bought the SSL instead (shame really ).

[Gibson]

Angus , were are u located. We might know each other. I'm in Melbourne.

[anguswoodhead]

Glasshouse Mountains, QLD.
I have done the odd gig in Vic (Bee Gees tribute and Eagles Tribute stuff).
I do have relatives in Geelong though.
You can e-mail me at wstudios (at) bigpond.net.au so we don't tie up the thread 'catching up'
Cheers.

[Gibson]

You must be live near Danial - Legacy Audio. I've seen u play with the Eagles band many years ago. I did 8 years in a AC/ DC band call Dirty Deeds.
I shall email u soon. Catch

[mplancke]

Originally Posted by anguswoodhead

BTW loved the compressed snare sound on your opening page there Mark - very cool - nice verb too - do you remember the mix / recording chain for the snare sound?

Thank you! It's hard to say for sure, because the song choice is random each time a page loads. If you can remember a song title I may be able to give more details.

Generally I'll mic the snare with a SM57 top and bottom, through API pre's and EQ's. For mix down it's usually some form of parallel compression for the kit. I been using Rocket from Stillwell (an 1176 variant) and sometimes the Waves SSL channel strip on the snare it's self.

Nice gear list too mate - I respect you if others here don't.

Again, thank you. I've been fortunate to collect some cool pieces over the years. Some I've had to let go for various reasons, the RCA BA6a that I rebuilt really stung. But all in all there's probably a few more things I'd like to add in the compressor/eq categories.

I checked your studio, you've got a cool spot with some really nice things happening as well. I really like the idea of the tiered mixing approach, having various mixing options by utilizing the rooms that you have around you. That's a great idea! I may adapt that for my clients, if you don't mind of course.

Congrats on the CMT thing also.
Peace.

I think you're referring to Gibson who has a song on rotation there. Very cool indeed.

Mark

[anguswoodhead]

Originally Posted by mplancke

Thank you! It's hard to say for sure, because the song choice is random each time a page loads. If you can remember a song title I may be able to give more details.

Generally I'll mic the snare with a SM57 top and bottom, through API pre's and EQ's. For mix down it's usually some form of parallel compression for the kit. I been using Rocket from Stillwell (an 1176 variant) and sometimes the Waves SSL channel strip on the snare it's self.

Mark

"I Want You Now" - great compressed snare sound mate - very cool.
The more I Record / Engineer / Mix etc the more I like the sound of compression (on some material - lol).

[Simma Lugnt]

The war is finally over, i hope...amen.


Another happy Samplitude user here btw thumbsup

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Simma Lugnt

Another happy Samplitude user here thumbsup

Samplitude here too(and Sequoia)

Started out on Wavelab, then PT, but now I have seen the light.

Ain't nothin better, in my opinion. The included plugins are amazing, support is great. they listen to their users. no proprietary hardware nonsense. It just works. as it should. every time. In the cue for v11..cant wait.

[John Willett]

One more point - I upgraded to Sequoia from Samplitude on v9 and am now on v10.2.1.

The other day I had to install it on a new laptop that runs under Vista - problems (of course).

A quick phone call to tech. support in the USA (perfect for people ringing from the UK in the evening) and everything was sorted very quickly by an extremely nice chap on the phone there.

I find Samplitude support (not that you need it very often) is absolutely superb and the on-line forum is extremely helpful with developers looking in and answering where necessary.

A No.1 recommendation from me.

[reggiesears]

I Use Samplitude for 80% of my stuff...it sounds better to me than Cubase...but I have Cubase SX, Protools, Reason & Sonar...and I still use Samplitude more.

[drcrazyriffs]

Ok so I did a small test just a minute ago. I am on PTLE 8 (digi 002 w/BLA mod) using a mytek da converter. I have Mackie HR824 mkii monitors and a decently treated room (recently done). I also have ultrasone headphones that I use for some editing and tracking. My sources were recorded very well and sounded pretty good before any mixing however the snare was giving me a hard time. It was recorded well also but I just wanted to brighten it up a tad. I thought I had it until I got in the car and found that the snare not only too bright but also sounded small as did the whole mix. So today I decided to try out that demo of Samplitude 10 that I downloaded a while ago. Set the pan law to -2.5 and unless I'm deaf I found that the snare needed NOTHING except a small cut...sounded a lil' boxy. I'm not up on the "nulling" thingamujig. However, I found extremely easier for me to make eq decisions on Samplitude. In PTLE it sounded muffled, thin, small, or whatever. On Samplitude with the pan law set the same as PTLE the mix seemed to come together faster. It was punchier, had more clarity, and had more depth. It could be a number of things such as dither settings, how well Samplitude handles plugs, maybe PTLE bypasses the Mytek's internal clock...not really sure. With the Mytek I noticed that when I switched between INPUT and SUPERCLOCK in PTLE, no difference...but in Samplitude, WOW. The Mytek upsamples to 192 and believe me it's golden. At any rate I will keep experimenting......

Just to add, I'm using ssl duende, liquid mix, and uad for my processing and I manually compensate delay on PTLE (alt-H) and nudging.

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by drcrazyriffs

Ok so I did a small test just a minute ago. I am on PTLE 8 (digi 002 w/BLA mod) using a mytek da converter. I have Mackie HR824 mkii monitors and a decently treated room (recently done). I also have ultrasone headphones that I use for some editing and tracking. My sources were recorded very well and sounded pretty good before any mixing however the snare was giving me a hard time. It was recorded well also but I just wanted to brighten it up a tad. I thought I had it until I got in the car and found that the snare not only too bright but also sounded small as did the whole mix. So today I decided to try out that demo of Samplitude 10 that I downloaded a while ago. Set the pan law to -2.5 and unless I'm deaf I found that the snare needed NOTHING except a small cut...sounded a lil' boxy. I'm not up on the "nulling" thingamujig. However, I found extremely easier for me to make eq decisions on Samplitude. In PTLE it sounded muffled, thin, small, or whatever. On Samplitude with the pan law set the same as PTLE the mix seemed to come together faster. It was punchier, had more clarity, and had more depth. It could be a number of things such as dither settings, how well Samplitude handles plugs, maybe PTLE bypasses the Mytek's internal clock...not really sure. With the Mytek I noticed that when I switched between INPUT and SUPERCLOCK in PTLE, no difference...but in Samplitude, WOW. The Mytek upsamples to 192 and believe me it's golden. At any rate I will keep experimenting......

Just to add, I'm using ssl duende, liquid mix, and uad for my processing and I manually compensate delay on PTLE (alt-H) and nudging.

Join the fold, brother..the multitudes that have left that archaic piece of digital rubbish, and step into the light.

[MarsBot]

Originally Posted by mplancke

Thank you, it's been many years in the making.

Mark

Hey Mark,

Thanks so much for taking the time and energy to point out the pseudo-science of the "null" crowd. I'm with you all the way on this and I love the fact that whenever someone creates files that "should" null but don't as you did, the nullers go ballistic about the methodology. They don't really understand science and its relationship to real-world observations; they're pseudoscientists as you say

Also, the claims that your opinions are invalid because you are not famous or have not worked with famous bands are completely meaningless, especially given what passes for top-level production in the world of modern pop.

Ultimately there will be some scientific verification of the sonic differences between DAWs. As Thomas Kuhn says, there will be a paradigm shift. We just have to be patient. Keep up the good work!!

[andsonic]

I'm now mixing my 2nd project in a row ITB in Samplitude. Since 10.2 my outboard & console are getting very dusty.

We did a shootout between Samplitude, Logic, PT M-powered, & DP. We all chose Sampy thumbsup

[joeq]

Originally Posted by MarsBot

.

Ultimately there will be some scientific verification of the sonic differences between DAWs.

Just out of curiosity, why will you believe THAT scientific evidence? Because it conforms to your subjective opinion?

You do seem to be conceding that such verification is, at the present time, non-existent.

As Thomas Kuhn says, there will be a paradigm shift. We just have to be patient.

Paradigm shifts come from people doing research, not from people griping about someone else's research. How sad that Kuhn is so often misappropriated by those wishing to discredit or attack the authority of science- such as creationists.

In any case, you, like the Creationists, have it exactly backwards. The idea that some 'magical algorithms' cause software to sound "different" is, in actuality the OLD paradigm, based as it is on an analog-hardware model, where individual components have only an 'approximate' value that varies with age, heat, materials and so on. The recent surge in null-testing is revealing the NEW paradigm: that numbers is numbers. That each 'component' of a DAW merely performs repeatable arithmetic. That computers are stupefyingly boring and predictable. That the 'magic' must lie elsewhere.

Time after time, every process that can be isolated keeps nulling. Summing, faders, EQs, on and on. Often full nulls and the rest of the time, nulls so deep that to believe the differences involved would make some DAW software sound "better" than another strains credulity.

The difference-hearers have been forced to retreat to their Keep- the "Fortress of The Real World Mixes". That somehow the "magic" - which has been shown to not exist in any individual component - is nevertheless manifesting itself at some later point in the complex interaction of components.

Could be, but how convenient to have this sonic 'character' of DAWs hide in there where nobody can get at it. Still, if the difference is truly audible, surely blind testing could prove that people can hear it.

Then again, why do you even care? If you 'hear it every time', why do you need this scientific validation? If your ears are so much better than any test science can design, who needs science? Is that what you are saying?

If null-testing is "pseudo-science", why is Mark your hero when his desultory experiments fail to find a null? People complain about Mark's methodology because frankly, he is sloppy.


Speaking of patience, we are still waiting for all the difference-hearers to ace the blind listening tests. To the best of my knowledge, we are still waiting for the difference-hearers to even TAKE the blind listening tests.

You want scientific verification? You don't need a lot of gear, or a big lab, or a PhD. Just some A/B/X software and some golden ears.

[tribeojudah]

Originally Posted by deuc647

I dunno, but im thinking that when you record a file(AD), its 1s and 0s, so when you import the wav into a daw, its not importing the actual sound, just converting the sound to 1s and 0s and playing it back the way that daw handles processing. i think the only way to determine if it sounds different is to listen to the side by side, this null stuff is all binary code.

But what do i know, i work in healthcare

What you're saying makes the most sense to me? Side by side would seem to be the best way, using heavy track counts as well, to determine if there's a difference. I have to admit though, that the talk about Samplitude has got me interested.

[thesoundcellar]

I have used Samplitude since version "2496" and have to agree with much of what has been said here. I have also tried other DAWs and found that their workflow was simply not as intuitive. For those who have said that the newer versions don't sound as good as the older ones, I'll share my experience: When I got a new comp, I installed Sam10 but I also kept my old one with Sequoia7 just in case. Both sound fantastic. I am using the new Sam 10 "quad core" engine on a quad core comp and it sounds as good as Sequoia did on a single core. Maybe that's the key, IDK. As for sounding better than others, here are some opinions:
Samplitude, Sequoia Kahne
Samplitude, Sequoia Hoskulds
The bottom line for me is that while I have heard that Sam/Sequoia sounds better than other DAWs, I have never heard anyone say that anything else sounded better than Sam/Sequoia! Form your own opinion with your own ears, but be sure to use good monitors in doing so!

Quad Core AMD 2.3GB Phenom processors
4GB DDR2 memory
6 7200rpm Fluid bearing hard drives in RAID 1&5 +1 archive HD
Emu 1820m interface (w/ AKM AK5394a A/D processors)
Samplitude 10 pro & Sequoia 7
total over 800 DSPs incl Waves & UAD
Emu Proteus VX
30GB Proteus/Emulator Samples
26" LCD monitor
15"Tannoy Gold dual-concentric (Westminister) reference monitor drivers