All digital Eq's are the same - redux

XHipHop · 18th March 2009

Digital EQ Fact & Myth. - signaltonoize.com

Just stumbled across this while looking for some impulse responses.

Lots of examples...

Are you guys STILL going to keep buying every $600 waves package they throw out there with a nice vintage GUI?

(edit: I know the title should say PEQ for accuracy, but liking the sensationalism of my current title so I'm keeping it).

jasongardner · 18th March 2009

I agree 100%. No matter how many plugs you buy and B**S**t you read i can use any digital EQ and get results.

Ciozzi · 19th March 2009

This guy provided proof, but no matter what, I'm sure someone will come in claming they can hear a difference. Oh well... there's that "X" factor, the distortion that changes everything

anemicrock · 19th March 2009

Sweet post. Thanks for this although I've been more than happy with my filterbank.

No more excuses to look for anything else.

rhythminmind · 19th March 2009

Before this gets out of hand once again. Read this original thread. Digital EQ Fact & Myth.

XHipHop · 19th March 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythminmind

Before this gets out of hand once again. Read this original thread. Digital EQ Fact & Myth.

Thanks for posting that. I knew I read it a while ago. I'm just sick of all the snake-oil salesmanship going on around here and didn't realize it was you who started the thread and made that blog post.

Anyway, thanks for dispelling a lot of myths and revealing how bad manufacturers are shafting people.

A good saturation program + any good eq should do the job for most people, as you suggest.

PeteJames · 19th March 2009

Interesting. Whatever saves me money can only be a good thing, cheers

princeplanet · 19th March 2009

As a myth buster, this was one of the more significant threads in GS history. It deserves being re-iterated, and often!

Thanks again.thumbsup

True North · 19th March 2009

Thanks for posting the article

I have always fealt that any fully parametric EQ should be able to emulate ANY vintage simulation plug

The problem is I don't want to spend countless trying to perfectly match the EQ curves of every vintage unit.

Each of the vintage plugs have all of the EQ curves preset and ready to roll and if you like the EQ curves that a particular vintge unit has it is much easier to manipulate then a trying to get a parametric EQ to match perfectly. Not to mention the fact that if you were trying to knock off a vintage simulation plug you would have to own the plug in the first place to try and always match it - so what is the point of that ?

So can a a parametric match any vintage simulation plug - IMO Yes - but it is not as practical or efficient in real world use.

ALSO

People get used to using and tweaking presets with new EQ's - So while it is possible to match the presets you kind of have to own the plug in the first place to have the time to try out all the presets and then perfectly match them - again - not really a practical solution IMHO

Keyflo · 26th March 2009

I rock with my cubase plugs, i love em, i have a bunch of free plugs as well. The the GUI means nothing to me, I rocked with nugen free stereo plug since day one, and the GUI looks bad, but who cares its a great stereo spacer

drpenguen · 26th March 2009

i did a test couple of days ago, after reading the same article.

cubase's stinky EQ NULLs wave Ren EQ

......

18th March 2009	#1
XHipHop Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 3,856 Thread Starter	All digital Eq's are the same - redux Digital EQ Fact & Myth. - signaltonoize.com Just stumbled across this while looking for some impulse responses. Lots of examples... Are you guys STILL going to keep buying every $600 waves package they throw out there with a nice vintage GUI? (edit: I know the title should say PEQ for accuracy, but liking the sensationalism of my current title so I'm keeping it).

19th March 2009	#5
rhythminmind Lives for gear Joined: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,076	Before this gets out of hand once again. Read this original thread. Digital EQ Fact & Myth. __________________ "Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense."

19th March 2009	#9
True North Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 3,213	Thanks for posting the article I have always fealt that any fully parametric EQ should be able to emulate ANY vintage simulation plug The problem is I don't want to spend countless trying to perfectly match the EQ curves of every vintage unit. Each of the vintage plugs have all of the EQ curves preset and ready to roll and if you like the EQ curves that a particular vintge unit has it is much easier to manipulate then a trying to get a parametric EQ to match perfectly. Not to mention the fact that if you were trying to knock off a vintage simulation plug you would have to own the plug in the first place to try and always match it - so what is the point of that ? So can a a parametric match any vintage simulation plug - IMO Yes - but it is not as practical or efficient in real world use. ALSO People get used to using and tweaking presets with new EQ's - So while it is possible to match the presets you kind of have to own the plug in the first place to have the time to try out all the presets and then perfectly match them - again - not really a practical solution IMHO __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

26th March 2009	#10
Keyflo Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,723	I rock with my cubase plugs, i love em, i have a bunch of free plugs as well. The the GUI means nothing to me, I rocked with nugen free stereo plug since day one, and the GUI looks bad, but who cares its a great stereo spacer __________________ SOUNDS IN HD HIGH IMPACT AVAILABLE NOW! My Twitter Sounds in HD Twitter My Sound Cloud My Blog

26th March 2009	#11
drpenguen Gear maniac Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 257	i did a test couple of days ago, after reading the same article. cubase's stinky EQ NULLs wave Ren EQ ...... Last edited by drpenguen; 26th March 2009 at 12:31 PM.. Reason: typo

18th March 2009	#2
jasongardner Gear Head Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 68	I agree 100%. No matter how many plugs you buy and BSt you read i can use any digital EQ and get results.

19th March 2009	#3
Ciozzi Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2007 Location: Fano Posts: 1,127	This guy provided proof, but no matter what, I'm sure someone will come in claming they can hear a difference. Oh well... there's that "X" factor, the distortion that changes everything

19th March 2009	#4
anemicrock Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Bristol Posts: 940	Sweet post. Thanks for this although I've been more than happy with my filterbank. No more excuses to look for anything else.

19th March 2009	#7
PeteJames Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2009 Location: Lancashire, England Posts: 1,859	Interesting. Whatever saves me money can only be a good thing, cheers

19th March 2009	#8
princeplanet Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,022	As a myth buster, this was one of the more significant threads in GS history. It deserves being re-iterated, and often! Thanks again.thumbsup

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