Mixing with a console and PT do you use the faders in PT or on the console?

[mdjice]

I was wondering how many of you when Mixing with PT and a console leave the faders at 0 on the console and use the ones in PT and how many leave the faders at 0 on PT and use the ones on the console and why
thx

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by mdjice

I was wondering how many of you when Mixing with PT and a console leave the faders at 0 on the console and use the ones in PT and how many leave the faders at 0 on PT and use the ones on the console and why
thx

Both....automation in protools....

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

Both....automation in protools....

Yeah automation is MUCH easier in protools I agree but you do regular volume changes in both at the same time? Console AND PT?

[The MPCist]

Both. PT for minute precise stuff and console automation for riding...

[mdjice]

Console Automation would seam more like a PITA then PT automation no?

[RCM - Ronan]

I get the mix happening on the console, using both the faders and the line trims and then do automation in pro tools.

[cbc459]

Always try to go for the console. The touch a fader is just nice.

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by rcm

I get the mix happening on the console, using both the faders and the line trims and then do automation in pro tools.

that's the way I do it too. Even tough I have Flying faders on the console etc... I find automation on PT a no brainer

[iamlark]

Use a ShadowMix system - best of both worlds.

[theblotted]

PT is pre-fader and pre-comp, so the character will change a bit compared to console. on top of the difference in fader resolution.

gotta use your ears on this one.

[Rick Sutton]

Originally Posted by rcm

I get the mix happening on the console, using both the faders and the line trims and then do automation in pro tools.

Yup.
If a sound is using heavy compression and needs large volume changes I either use the console fader or split it in PT and bring it to another channel on the board and process separately for the "rides".

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by Rick Sutton

Yup.
If a sound is using heavy compression and needs large volume changes I either use the console fader or split it in PT and bring it to another channel on the board and process separately for the "rides".

Splitting if you need to is the way to go...use automation in PT exclusively if you can...it starts to get ridiculous otherwise.

Nick

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by theblotted

PT is pre-fader and pre-comp, so the character will change a bit compared to console. on top of the difference in fader resolution.

gotta use your ears on this one.

exactly. Detail, evening out rides in pt, broad brush strokes on console. Splits if really needed.

I really don't like NOT having the option of console automation.

[bgrotto]

If I'm doing mail-in mixes (which I've been getting quite busy with lately), and there's a strong chance I'll need to do a recall and/or printing stems won't fully cover my ass, I'll set the faders on the desk to unity and mix inside PT. If I need to do some post-insert fader rides, I'll use a PT Hardware Insert as needed.

Generally, though, I mix using the faders on the board, with PT for automation moves. I like to start by setting the faders on the desk at -5, get a quick rough balance happening in PT using PT faders, then mix on the desk from there.

[Musiclab]

I use my consoles automation, I'm old school I guess

[studjo]

console

[mdjice]

I'm surprised to see many people use console automation. Do you guys do it because you are use to it? or because you see a benefit from it compared to using the one in PT?

[studjo]

the faders on the C8 are a joke - and the faders on the Harrison are a joy to work with. The only reason to use PT auto is where you can see a certain "noise" that you want to get rid of it. I use PT auto instead of gating toms for example. I do the fixing stuff with PT auto but the music IOW mixing part I do on the desk.

Jo

[PhilE]

Originally Posted by studjo

the faders on the C8 are a joke - and the faders on the Harrison are a joy to work with. The only reason to use PT auto is where you can see a certain "noise" that you want to get rid of it. I use PT auto instead of gating toms for example. I do the fixing stuff with PT auto but the music IOW mixing part I do on the desk.

Jo

Snap. exactly what I do.
Too much of my chain is after a PT fader anyway- the recall of fader auto is no issue anyway- its automated and saved, its the EQ, dynamics and patch that are a pain to recall and auto in PT wont help me on that unless I move ITB anyway!!

[OKden]

Originally Posted by mdjice

I'm surprised to see many people use console automation. Do you guys do it because you are use to it? or because you see a benefit from it compared to using the one in PT?

I try to benefit from the way a console/mix can sound when being hit at a certain level. Some consoles have a huge sonic swing depending on how you hit the line amps (or transformers). Just because an element is low in the mix doesn't mean it can't benefit from good gain staging. It's about the headroom, noise and overall sound of the particular console.

[mdjice]

tell me about EQs recall.....arggg someone make me a little robot that can take a pic and recall everything automatically!!...I'll buy it ...seriously!! lol

[sevendaysoff]

i imagine most people are also using console automation because the routing is less hassle when using the sends and inserts on your console. (dont want to be doing fader rides out of PT into an analog compressor console insert). of course this can be handled with some routing trickery. i dont have a console so i just have cables running everywhere for elaborate patches, lol.

[The MPCist]

Using console automation has nothing to do with it being 'less hassle' etc.

Console automation:

Muting channels to deal with the noise floor (from inserted outboard) can be lowered when signal isn't being passed;

Compressed sound stays constant even when working the levels on the board;

Easier tactical control of certain parts on a physical layout as compared to on a screen (ICON / controller users excepted);

etc...

[The MPCist]

Originally Posted by mdjice

tell me about EQs recall.....arggg someone make me a little robot that can take a pic and recall everything automatically!!...I'll buy it ...seriously!! lol

I'd buy one too! LOL

In the meantime, recall notes and a digital camera are my best friends!

[sevendaysoff]

Originally Posted by The MPCist

Using console automation has nothing to do with it being 'less hassle' etc.

Console automation:

Muting channels to deal with the noise floor (from inserted outboard) can be lowered when signal isn't being passed;

Compressed sound stays constant even when working the levels on the board;

Easier tactical control of certain parts on a physical layout as compared to on a screen (ICON / controller users excepted);

etc...

for me, doing all my rides ITB then feeding them to channel strips with inserts would be somewhat of a hassle and requires different routing to accomplish successfully (would you want to be riding the amount of signal you're feeding to an unautomated hardware compressor?) Maybe this is a new secret technique i'm unaware of.

thats just my take. so yes, setting up extra aux tracks in PT and rerouting the audio back into PT so my rides would be POST console inserts would be a hassle and vibe killer for me. but then again i dont work on a console everyday so what do i know.

If you console has hui mode you could write your fader moves to a PT track. most of the older consoles have there own automation system however.

[studjo]

Originally Posted by mdjice

tell me about EQs recall.....arggg someone make me a little robot that can take a pic and recall everything automatically!!...I'll buy it ...seriously!! lol

Harrison Series 10 or Series 12 consoles - no camera, no robot - just great sound and not too much thinking about technical stuff

Jo

[Jeancab]

Originally Posted by OKden

I try to benefit from the way a console/mix can sound when being hit at a certain level. Some consoles have a huge sonic swing depending on how you hit the line amps (or transformers). Just because an element is low in the mix doesn't mean it can't benefit from good gain staging. It's about the headroom, noise and overall sound of the particular console.

+1
I actually use both, but probably the console automation for 80%:
-keeping the PT faders at 0 (and not using any pan) seems always to sound better for me.
-Most of the time, I prefer a level change after and not before a compressor.
I would use P.T.automation for "chirurgical" things.

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by The MPCist

Using console automation has nothing to do with it being 'less hassle' etc.

Console automation:

Muting channels to deal with the noise floor (from inserted outboard) can be lowered when signal isn't being passed;

Compressed sound stays constant even when working the levels on the board;

Easier tactical control of certain parts on a physical layout as compared to on a screen (ICON / controller users excepted);

etc...

All of the above and I also use a tape deck locked up to my rig and alot of analog outboard. In fact, my console only has 48 automated faders, I'm looking into a bigger
automated console

[casey_outlaw]

Originally Posted by rcm

I get the mix happening on the console, using both the faders and the line trims and then do automation in pro tools.

+1 Same here.

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