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18th November 2008
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Cad m179?

I've got a good selection of Neumanns, AKG, Sennheiser and Shures. I'm looking for a good general mic for drums and guitar cabs, sort of an alternative to SM57. Any thoughts on the Cad M179 or something similar?
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Personally I use CAD M179 on toms virtually every time, and the E/V ND468 on guitar cabs when it comes to dynamic mics to reach for. Both of those are way different than an SM57.

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The M179 is a good mic to have around - it works really well for capturing low-frequency stuff on big floor toms. And it works for just about anything else.

For toms, snares, and guitar cabinets, having some Heil PR20/30/40 available is good too.



-tINY

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Personally I use CAD M179 on toms virtually every time,
Agreed. You can hear the 177's here (179's in Cardiod mode) against all the usual suspects:

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After listening to the samples I chose the Shure SM57 and Neumann KM84 for that particular kit. I guess you go with what you know or are used to hearing. I was surprised how weak the 414s sounded.

I thought the sound was fairly good and could see using them on some things, just don't know if it's different enough to buy 3 or 4 of them.

I'll have to do more research and some testing. I need to see how it sits in a mix as opposed to solo instruments.
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After listening to the samples I chose the Shure SM57 and Neumann KM84 for that particular kit. I guess you go with what you know or are used to hearing. I was surprised how weak the 414s sounded.

I thought the sound was fairly good and could see using them on some things, just don't know if it's different enough to buy 3 or 4 of them.

I'll have to do more research and some testing. I need to see how it sits in a mix as opposed to solo instruments.
Well, that's the thing. You can't listen to ANYBODY's opinion other than your own. War and I use the 177/179;s almost exclusively. You prefer the 57's. Everybody doesn't hear the same, and to complicate things even further, we all do different styles of music and are looking for different effects. Glad you found something you liked though. That makes it a worthwhile listen.


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There are audio samples for this mic on Warren's site http://www.frontendaudio.com
Why am I not surprised you would use these mics. Let me guess this is your room mic and you use a pair of sm57's for overheads?
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Why am I not surprised you would use these mics. Let me guess this is your room mic and you use a pair of sm57's for overheads?


Well, if he gets a better sound than you can using expensive german mics, why not?



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price does not mean there is automatically high quality there are some terrific quality products at good prices or as I'd say great values.

For example the SM57 is a staple all over the world and it's only $100 USD.

That's just one of many examples.
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How do you deal with the fact that the M179 is a condenser, so picks up the rest of the kit as well as the tom?
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What's the problem with that? Bleed is what makes "the sound". Without it, a kit would sound pretty dead and un-exciting. You just have to know how to make it work FOR you instead of against you. Also, the 179 has a hypercardiod setting for the cap if you prefer less bleed.
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A big thumbs up for the CAD M179 from me, I have 4 of them now.

I use them all the time on toms, room mics, spot cymbal mics, pretty much on anything when all the other mics have run out! They are pretty neutral and versitile and well worth having a few around at the stupidly low prices they sell for.
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A big thumbs up for the CAD M179 from me, I have 4 of them now.

I use them all the time on toms, room mics, spot cymbal mics, pretty much on anything when all the other mics have run out! They are pretty neutral and versitile and well worth having a few around at the stupidly low prices they sell for.
I'm going to second all the above. I got several from War on his advise, and haven't looked back since. I like the on overheads too!
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What's the problem with that? Bleed is what makes "the sound". Without it, a kit would sound pretty dead and un-exciting. You just have to know how to make it work FOR you instead of against you. Also, the 179 has a hypercardiod setting for the cap if you prefer less bleed.
Thanks - I get what what you're saying. I think where that's difficult for me is that the mics I'm using for OVs - Earthworks SR25s, sound so much sweeter on Cymbals than the mics I'm trying to use for toms - 2nd generation Cad E100s. I don't want the sound of the OVs polluted with the sound of the Cads. The Cads are nice for the toms though.
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Is there really more bleed with those m179 condenser than there would with dynamic mics on toms?
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I think there is less in hyper. The bleed you do get is musical.
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I think there is less in hyper. The bleed you do get is musical.
Good to know, I didn't know condenser picked up more bleed then dynamic mics though...

Cause with the 421 on toms the bleed or should I say resonance I get from the tom is kind of boomy and in the way most of the time.

I wouldn't want a mic that is worst at this.
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Many moons ago when I discovered the M179 on tom, before I decided to switch from my E/V ND468 (not knocking that mic, it's great especially on el gtr) I tested the M179 in hypercardioid in the exact same position vs the 468. The M179 performed identical, if not a little better (I was averaging .1dB less bleed from the CAD by comparison so pretty much a wash).

The bleed is nice on the M179. Also, experiment with cardioid too. You MUST engage the pad though on toms, I usually do on overheads also if used there (they have a beefy overhead sound).

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i got a couple of these last year based on the gearslutz hype. They're pretty good on toms, but I wasn't blown away. I still use them frequently though.
I haven't tried them on much else. One of them is almost destroyed because it's been banged a couple times by drummers. If you've got some extra cash in your pocket, it's not a bad utility mic to have around.
May try them on OH next time.
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What's a better mic? The CAD m177 or the m179?
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M177 is the (now discontinued) cardioid only version of the M179.

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thanks guys

I also heard about the Beyer Opus 88, anybody tried them?
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I think there is less in hyper. The bleed you do get is musical.
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Cause with the 421 on toms the bleed or should I say resonance I get from the tom is kind of boomy and in the way most of the time. I wouldn't want a mic that is worst at this.
Agreed. When I used 421's almost exclusively on toms, I used to always gate the tom tracks in the analog days, and now in the digital days, I would cut out the places where they aren't playing. With the 177/179's, I leave them in all the time unless I'm trying to get a really tight, dry sound. The bleed they inject into the mix is pleasing. Or, some might say.......musical. LOL
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I also heard about the Beyer Opus 88, anybody tried them?
Yes, and I can't figure out how to turn this thumb upside down:

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The Beyer doesn't have near the depth and gives more bleed, the CAD is smoooother also in a pleasing way on toms.

War
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Just used two 179's in to one of the new Black Lion Auteur pre's. All I can say is WHAT A GREAT VALUE!(fig 8 for vox and guitar) Has got to be one of the best low cost setups available.

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