ProTools 8 Rocks!!! now that it copied Logic 8

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by haryy

Who knows if there's any update in the mix engine? (LE-Mpowered)??

what's wrong with it?

[jmarkham]

Originally Posted by narcoman

seeing as Avid own Sibelius i wouldn't be surprised to find that it IS sibelius inside PT. Cut down - probably.

You are correct.. it's a lite version of Sibelius.

jeff

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

its sibelius.. not a program like it...

Originally Posted by jmarkham

it's a lite version of Sibelius.

From what I've seen on a PT8 demo-movie in someone Digi rep's blog somewhere, it's definitely only a light version, meaning that you'll still need to swap back and forth between two apps if you want more than the basic stuff.

[jmarkham]

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

From what I've seen on a PT8 demo-movie in someone Digi rep's blog somewhere, it's definitely only a light version, meaning that you'll still need to swap back and forth between two apps if you want more than the basic stuff.

True .. but for basic entry and editing, it works pretty well.

jeff

[author]

Originally Posted by jmarkham

True .. but for basic entry and editing, it works pretty well.

jeff

Like I said, if you need pro notation, buy Sibelius. If you're fine with the hobby stuff, by all means get Pro Tools.

[author]

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

From what I've seen on a PT8 demo-movie in someone Digi rep's blog somewhere, it's definitely only a light version, meaning that you'll still need to swap back and forth between two apps if you want more than the basic stuff.

Exactly, you can't add articulations, you can't add dynamics, you can't input notes with your qwerty-board -- you can't even SEND .sib files to PT!

If you want something of the sort, you actually have to EXPORT a MIDI file and then open it in PT (and obviously lose any markings, etc. you've done in Sibelius). And I mean, I can already do that in Logic, or in any other sequencer. So what's the point?

[haryy]

Are they going to have a demo for us?

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by author

you can't even SEND .sib files to PT!

Again, I don't like the idea of having to use two apps, but I'm pretty sure that I've heard that you will be able to export score files from the lite version inside PT8 to Sibelius using Sibelius' own file format?

Are you sure that the problem isn't the other way round - that you can't export files that has been worked on in Sibelius into PT8? I'm pretty sure that would be impossible, since Sibelius-files may contain stuff (eg. choice of clefs - if I remember right PT8 only allows 4 different options for choice of clef) that PT doesn't support.

[author]

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

Again, I don't like the idea of having to use two apps, but I'm pretty sure that I've heard that you will be able to export score files from the lite version inside PT8 to Sibelius using Sibelius' own file format?

Are you sure that the problem isn't the other way round - that you can't export files that has been worked on in Sibelius into PT8? I'm pretty sure that would be impossible, since Sibelius-files may contain stuff (eg. choice of clefs - if I remember right PT8 only allows 4 different options for choice of clef) that PT doesn't support.

I'm afraid things get a little upside down here... :)

What I'm saying -- and that is unfortunately a fact -- you can't even send Sibelius files to Pro Tools 8. How's that for integration...

So, you lose hours of work in Sibelius if you want to develope a Sib idea further in PT, as you can only export that idea as a MIDI file.

Once again, and from the horse's (Daniel Spreadbury's) own mouth:
"You can't send a Sibelius file to Pro Tools."

[nativeaudio]

Thanks for correcting me. For some unknown reason I thought you had written that one can't even SEND .sib files from PT. :-)
Sh*t happens when I try to post something sensible too early in the morning.

[peeder]

The Sibelius integration was done for the shareholders...the management needed to justify the purchase, and "integration" is the easy way to showcase it. They can tell them they have another of Logic's checkmarks now for however many $million they paid. It was rushed out not for us but for them. It was probably too ambitious...maybe by PT9 in 2010 it will actually be a usable pairing.

[johnnyz]

Will protools 8 have a more efficient cpu usage window,i am on a 8 core mac will it show all 8 cores,it seems to me that logic is more efficient in this area.jz

[Aisle 6]

Originally Posted by mimp

I admit i only skimmed the 48 bit mixer white paper digidesign put out, but presumably plugins handle their own dithering and output at 24 bits, and any recorded audio is at 24 bit to start with, so I'm trying to figure out when this would actually happen.. Perhaps if you bus the output of a track at non-unity gain to the input of another and then insert a plugin (I'm assuming it stays at 48 bit within the mixer when bussing from track to track but that might be wrong)

Considering the bottom few bits of recorded 24 bit audio are noise anyway I wonder what effect truncation would have during normal mixing.

Hope that makes sense, have a terrible cold this morning so may be stuck in stupid :)

You are sort of correct. But you cannot assume that all plugs take care of dithering as all do not.
True the audio is 24 bit, however any processing (ie. level control on a plug, eq, FX etc) re calculates the data. Therefore the word length is compromised or at the very least not optimized for the 48bit fixed point calculations in the mixer. All techs will tell you that any non dithered truncation artifacts are well below the noise floor of the converters. And this is where my problem arises. I do not care for maths, I care for audio and I do not believe that just because the maths is correct, then there is no problem. I make music not maths. All I know is that LE does not suffer this fate and is considerably cheaper than HD. (I know it is 32bit float)

All I am saying is that it is a compromise we all seem to accept without question. We do not accept compromise anywhere else in our signal path. Only in our DAW. Is it because the DAW offers so much more in other respects? That is the thinking that makes MP3 our choice of media. Convenience over quality!

I realize that this is a harsh parallel. At the very least should not this issue be on the drawing board at some point. Wouldn't you agree?
Cheers,
Scott.

[Companda]

All I know is that LE does not suffer this fate and is considerably cheaper than HD. (I know it is 32bit float)

I thought neither LE or HD was 32 bit float. I may be wrong though.

[MarkRB]

I thought Logic was getting good when it started copying ProTools.

[jmarkham]

Originally Posted by Aisle 6

All I know is that LE does not suffer this fate and is considerably cheaper than HD. (I know it is 32bit float)

It absolutely does suffer the fate as it has no large word accumulation
paths .. so the bits are truncated. It's a cumulative effect that becomes
more pronounced with the number of tracks that are summed.

jeff

[TREMORS]

Funny, I thought they were copying Sonar.

[dylansmale]

Logic's VIs suck, thats why I'm going to be buying PT8.

[darkman2]

christ speaking of bias ,, just because protools is

showing the world who the boss is .. time apple get out the business

and ditch logic.... protools rule,........

[d4n]

Logic's VIs suck, thats why I'm going to be buying PT8.

if that's the only reason, wouldn't getting actual full versions of 3rd party plugs make more sense?

[Sugarnutz]

Originally Posted by d4n

if that's the only reason, wouldn't getting actual full versions of 3rd party plugs make more sense?

Some of the new VI's in PT 8 are the full versions and if you buy PT8 before December 15th you get you choice of a full version VI worth $300 retail. I'm thinking of getting Velvet 'cause I love me some electric piano. Any opinions on that?

[dylansmale]

Originally Posted by d4n

if that's the only reason, wouldn't getting actual full versions of 3rd party plugs make more sense?

I never said that, I also like PT's work flow much better and I have been used to the program and its key commands and reliability.

Thats not to say that their are things I wish they would still integrate from Logic 8 like:

batch fades and custom fades and a quality dealy plug-in...but thats about it now...still it seems crazy they don't do it. Custom fades is a must for PT8...oh well.

[hobson]

Originally Posted by Sugarnutz

Some of the new VI's in PT 8 are the full versions and if you buy PT8 before December 15th you get you choice of a full version VI worth $300 retail. I'm thinking of getting Velvet 'cause I love me some electric piano. Any opinions on that?

where did you find this information - i just searched Digi site and could not find a reference to this offer.

[tamasdragon]

Originally Posted by jmarkham

It absolutely does suffer the fate as it has no large word accumulation
paths .. so the bits are truncated. It's a cumulative effect that becomes
more pronounced with the number of tracks that are summed.

jeff

I read that this is not true, it does not truncate, even why should it? Nothing wrong with the le engine.
Tamas Dragon

[kafka]

Originally Posted by hobson

where did you find this information - i just searched Digi site and could not find a reference to this offer.

Found it. Sweetwater has it.

[KingUgly]

Originally Posted by tamasdragon

I read that this is not true, it does not truncate, even why should it? Nothing wrong with the le engine.
Tamas Dragon

If you can't hear the difference, then it should not matter to you anyway.

[d4n]

if you buy PT8 before December 15th you get you choice of a full version VI worth $300 retail

That's pretty sweet. Pity it's not a direct digidesign deal, and doesn't apply to upgrades...

[Sugarnutz]

As a correction:

PT M-Powered must be purchased by "December 24th", not the 15th as I stated earlier. Must be registered by that date also.

[hobson]

Originally Posted by kafka

Found it. Sweetwater has it.

well... deal appears to be only for M-Powered System Upgrade(s). Too bad.