I need a good distant kick drum mic.

andre tchmil · 15th March 2003

I need a good distant kick drum mic.
Not a 2000$ microphone but a decent large membrane that can handle the transients.
tips please

mdbeh · 15th March 2003

If you're looking for something fairly cheap, the Audio Technica 4047 (~$500) does a good job.

Roland · 15th March 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by andre tchmil
I need a good distant kick drum mic.
Not a 2000$ microphone but a decent large membrane that can handle the transients.
tips please

Lot of good reports about the Royer 121. Being figure of eight polar patern you can get good isolation too.

Regards

Roland

Jakob · 15th March 2003

Get my Neumann TLM170yuktyy
-This was an ad-
Please dont

for this
jakob

e-cue · 15th March 2003

The Coles ribbon mic's would slightly edge out the Royers for this app mainly because they are slightly darker. If you aren't recording in a good live room no mic will help you, but the Coles works great. Don't put it close to the kick though unless you wanna destroy the ribbon. The royers would also work, but I usually use them on OH's and wouldn't prefer the same texture on my OH's and for a room/kick drum trans mic app.

There is some kind of tube / ribbon mic that Royer made but I don't know if it's available to the public. It might work for this too, but that's just conjecture on my part.

andre tchmil · 15th March 2003

I'm just wandering if I'm doing something wrong, Or if it is just the type of Mic I'm using.
I was working on a session today, and I tried an MD 421 and neumann M147
as a distant mic and both gave me a very poor sound, very low mid, muffled.
I tried various positions, 1 ft, 2 ft, 3 ft, 1/2 ft, off center.........

I used this technique before, but can't remember the setup

Manny Grossman · 15th March 2003

I'm using an Oktava ml52 ribbon for this app and it is fantastic. Plus it mixes in well with the overheads. On close kick I'm using a d6 and they sound great together.

NathanEldred · 15th March 2003

Soundelux U195 or Soundelux iFET7, they work great for me every time. Good Luck.

Wiggy Neve Slut · 15th March 2003

Might be outa ya budget but a Neumann FET 47 willgive u what u need and they are extremely versatile mics. Give one a listen and save up.

Ditto E-Ques's coles thing. I gotsta get mone one of them and a royer!

PEACE
Wiggy

dave-G · 16th March 2003

Fairly obscure, but very cool in this application (IMO) is the Sony C-500
Here's a pic...

-dave

Saucyjack · 16th March 2003

I'll second the Soundelux u195...and it works on vocals,room mic,Gtrs,etc.
Very useful mic that one.

e-cue · 18th March 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Wiggy Neve Slut
Might be outa ya budget but a Neumann FET 47 willgive u what u need and they are extremely versatile mics. Give one a listen and save up.

Ditto E-Ques's coles thing. I gotsta get mone one of them and a royer!

PEACE
Wiggy

Perhaps I'm not sure what sound you are looking for. When I see "distact kick drum mic", I think of a big, roomey, almost tunnelish sound like John Bonham on When the Levy Breaks, or more recently Will Champion (Coldplay's drummer) on "In my Place". I own a 47fet, and use it on my kick a lot (or a D12, D112, etc). The 'thing' about the U47fet is the way it handles proximity effect. If you are looking for a sound similar to a "tunnel" sound, the 47 far away isn't what I'd grab first.

Tim L · 18th March 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by andre tchmil
... I was working on a session today, and I tried an MD 421 and neumann M147 as a distant mic and both gave me a very poor sound, very low mid, muffled.

As far as a budget large diaghram, I've found the Cad E-200 can work pretty well as a distant kick mic (I think about $250 used).

malice · 18th March 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by NathanEldred
Soundelux U195 or Soundelux iFET7, they work great for me every time. Good Luck.

As everything resemble to a 47fet ...

You could probably try the Brauner PhantomC for that reason (there is a multipolar one, btw): I did not, but I bet my pants it will work.

Anyone has tried it as drum mic ???

malice

Nutmeg II. · 18th March 2003

We did use a Brauner for the drums once.
I couldn't remember the model but I think it was the Valvet.
We put that one in the hallway and left the door to the room open.
I had to put some mids and it starts to sound realy expensiv!:eek:

robp · 19th March 2003

Quote:

originally posted by malice
As everything resemble to a 47fet ...

You could probably try the Brauner PhantomC for that reason (there is a multipolar one, btw): I did not, but I bet my pants it will work.

Anyone has tried it as drum mic ???

I've been digging the Phantom C on drums. It works well as a distant kick mic, but lately I've been feeling it as a mid-head (placed between the rack and floor tom, 3 to 4 inches higher than the rack, angled at the snare to taste), its been a great match with AEA R-84s as overheads. I find myself using a lot less eq on drums in the mix! I've been really impressed with the Phantom, very versatile. I also own a Valvet, but haven't had much luck using it on drums. I didn't know Brauner made a multi-polar Phantom? More info please.

robp
www.witchdoctorrecording.com

malice · 19th March 2003

I saw an add in a shop in france, it was like 200-250 $ more than the unipolar.

Can't get some info on that, but I think I will buy one (multipolar) end of the month.

malice

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andre tchmil Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2002 Location: always on the move Posts: 750 Thread Starter	I need a good distant kick drum mic. I need a good distant kick drum mic. Not a 2000$ microphone but a decent large membrane that can handle the transients. tips please

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Wiggy Neve Slut Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,205	Might be outa ya budget but a Neumann FET 47 willgive u what u need and they are extremely versatile mics. Give one a listen and save up. Ditto E-Ques's coles thing. I gotsta get mone one of them and a royer! PEACE Wiggy __________________ If i see another 'Which neve clone is better thread... im seriously gona go postal!!!!!!!"

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Saucyjack Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2003 Location: Dirty South Posts: 571	I'll second the Soundelux u195...and it works on vocals,room mic,Gtrs,etc. Very useful mic that one. __________________ If you really want to make orginal results,work fast and cheap,because there's more of a chance that you'll get somewhere that nobody else did. Brian Eno

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Nutmeg II. Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2003 Location: GEARmany Posts: 985	We did use a Brauner for the drums once. I couldn't remember the model but I think it was the Valvet. We put that one in the hallway and left the door to the room open. I had to put some mids and it starts to sound realy expensiv!:eek: __________________ "Any recording engineer who uses a tube U47 is obviously not a professional" Stephan Temmer 1979

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15th March 2003	#2
mdbeh Gear addict Joined: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 459	If you're looking for something fairly cheap, the Audio Technica 4047 (~$500) does a good job.

15th March 2003	#4
Jakob Gear Head Joined: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 37	Get my Neumann TLM170yuktyy -This was an ad- Please dont for this jakob

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e-cue Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 4,069	The Coles ribbon mic's would slightly edge out the Royers for this app mainly because they are slightly darker. If you aren't recording in a good live room no mic will help you, but the Coles works great. Don't put it close to the kick though unless you wanna destroy the ribbon. The royers would also work, but I usually use them on OH's and wouldn't prefer the same texture on my OH's and for a room/kick drum trans mic app. There is some kind of tube / ribbon mic that Royer made but I don't know if it's available to the public. It might work for this too, but that's just conjecture on my part.

15th March 2003	#7
Manny Grossman Gear Head Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 59	I'm using an Oktava ml52 ribbon for this app and it is fantastic. Plus it mixes in well with the overheads. On close kick I'm using a d6 and they sound great together.

15th March 2003	#8
NathanEldred Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Central Florida Posts: 7,242	Soundelux U195 or Soundelux iFET7, they work great for me every time. Good Luck.

16th March 2003	#10
dave-G Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,486	Fairly obscure, but very cool in this application (IMO) is the Sony C-500 Here's a pic... -dave

19th March 2003	#17
malice Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2002 Location: France Posts: 1,023	I saw an add in a shop in france, it was like 200-250 $ more than the unipolar. Can't get some info on that, but I think I will buy one (multipolar) end of the month. malice

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