My huge drum session!

[Slaytex]

Originally Posted by matskull

That's exactly what I think too!
Is it treated or something?
This "room" sounds really good.

I also got a cool spot in my house for room mic but it doesn't sound the same as yours at all, it's more boomy and it doesn't sound as big.

Thank you. Actually I was going to put up my 22 DIY bass traps in the garage, but after getting the drum levels and tones I said "shit" this sounds great, why mess with it.

I tracked the two gtr amps very similar. On the Bogner I placed a AT4047 about 3 inches off of the grill about 1 inch high and 2 inches left of the cone. On the Marshall I used an X-15 stereo ribbon (top element only) which was about 5-6 inches off the grill with the mic slightly angled down to cut back on some of the high end brightness. I then placed bass traps around the sides, front and top of the mic and cab (essentially making a tunnel like you would for a kick drum) to cut out the room reflections. Other than that I just used my ears and positioned the mics a bit before committing. I must admit, using the Focal Solo 6's in the control room made it easy to hear exactly what was going on. I'm usually stuck getting tones through headphones...

Glad you like it.

[big country]

I like it...

PANS

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I think the word Mic bleed is miss leading
subconsciously

dynamics of room/ space

probably the most important instrument to let breath DRUMS!

if only you could get the room sound panned more ( need to finsh my drum room )

then keep middle close miced layers man dynamic of close and far and individual layers

[Slaytex]

Originally Posted by big country

I like it...

PANS

................

I think the word Mic bleed is miss leading
subconsciously

dynamics of room/ space

probably the most important instrument to let breath DRUMS!

if only you could get the room sound panned more ( need to finsh my drum room )

then keep middle close miced layers man dynamic of close and far and individual layers

I don't know if I could pan them much more. I used the stereo ribbon for the room and they "were" panned hard left and right but are now about 68% left and right now that the gtr's are in the picture.
I'm sure that things will come alive in the mix though.
Thanks.

[big country]

you would need a special room for room pans

[mdoelger]

That recording sounds killer! GREAT JOB! I'm really excited to hear the whole song, with vocals and mixed! I hope the band lets you continue posting those examples!

Have fun!

Do you think a 2 car garage would do it, too? Just kidding, it does! At least for me!

[Slaytex]

Originally Posted by lunale

That recording sounds killer! GREAT JOB! I'm really excited to hear the whole song, with vocals and mixed! I hope the band lets you continue posting those examples!

Have fun!

Do you think a 2 car garage would do it, too? Just kidding, it does! At least for me!

Actually I just talked to some of the guys in the band. They are very happy so far with what's going on and want to throw in a little more and go for 3 to 4 more songs.
They are cool with me posting this stuff as well which is awesome. If anything it's getting them some exposure.
Thanks.

[Mike Caffrey]

Sounds great. It's a really nice sounding room. In the first example, the snare sounds like it's lost some attack. There was definitely a sweet spot in the middle of that faded in example.

Don't trash it all in the mix with too much compression or too fast an attack.

[matskull]

Originally Posted by Mike Caffrey

Don't trash it all in the mix with too much compression or too fast an attack.

I agree, you allready got a good tone with a good playing here, I bet you could get a perfectly good mix without compression on this drum.
I would rely on volume automation instead of compression to control dynamics because it allready sounds good.
Keep posting

[SRS]

Coming together nicely. Will be a fun one to mix. Great basic tracks thus far. A little salt and pepper and you will have a fine track.

[drumrec.com]

Yeeeee ... this is creative initiatives ... into the garage and get to your drum sound, jihaaa

You have succeeded in capturing the beauty grunge / punk sound ... hmmm ... it is time to make a visit to the parents house and drive out the cars and in with my old "Roger set" * laughs *.

Nice thread Slaytex and keep up the good work my friend


Hansson

[Davo-London]

As a drummer I would say that:

a) he's a brilliant drummer
b) can't understand why you didn't use a click as this will make the rest of the recording tricky.
c) the snare sound is disappointing IMHO. It lacks the snare edge and bite, sounding more like another tom than a snare.

Davo

[Slaytex]

Originally Posted by Mike Caffrey

Sounds great. It's a really nice sounding room. In the first example, the snare sounds like it's lost some attack. There was definitely a sweet spot in the middle of that faded in example.

Don't trash it all in the mix with too much compression or too fast an attack.

Don't worry Mike, I'm one of those engineers that is very light on compression if I can help it as well as anti-auto tune and beat detective. I just like music in it's raw form.

We bust out the last little bit of instumental tracks tonight (1 acoustic, a synth and a tambourine). Then the vocals and that's it.

[Slaytex]

Originally Posted by Davo-London

As a drummer I would say that:

a) he's a brilliant drummer
b) can't understand why you didn't use a click as this will make the rest of the recording tricky.
c) the snare sound is disappointing IMHO. It lacks the snare edge and bite, sounding more like another tom than a snare.

Davo

Davo, I agree that a click is usually a good idea, but from what you hear so far what has fallen apart? There are slight fluctuations in time but to me that is the human element. If anything the heavy parts slightly speed up then back down a touch which really helps drive this type of music IMO. These guys are a live band so that's how we wanted to portray the recording.
Thanks.

[audiovisceral]

Originally Posted by Slaytex

The rest of the band was having a hard to getting together so Zach decided to record everything solo with no click or reference tracks...

thank god. that natural human pulse and freedom is my fave thing about it! great energy. that's what clicks always kill (imo).

[audiovisceral]

looking forward to the final product

[Davo-London]

Originally Posted by Slaytex

Davo, I agree that a click is usually a good idea, but from what you hear so far what has fallen apart? There are slight fluctuations in time but to me that is the human element. If anything the heavy parts slightly speed up then back down a touch which really helps drive this type of music IMO. These guys are a live band so that's how we wanted to portray the recording.
Thanks.

I meant that the other tracks will be more difficult to record without a click. I agree that the live feel is desirable. What do you think of my snare comment?

Davo

[Companda]

What do you think of my snare comment?

He would probably think each to their own. If he or the drummer wasn't happy with it I'm sure they'd have changed the drum.

[Slaytex]

Originally Posted by Davo-London

I meant that the other tracks will be more difficult to record without a click. I agree that the live feel is desirable. What do you think of my snare comment?

Davo

We actually recorded 4 songs already that came out just as well so the click isn't an issue for this band IMO.
As to the snare comment, I hear you. The tracks that are posted here are all just about sitting at unity gain except for the 2 room tracks. and aren't processed at all. I have a secret weapon for this snare come mix time, that was planned out from the get go. I think by late next week I should be finished with a mix (hopefully ), and you should be much happier.
Thanks.

[Davo-London]

Originally Posted by Slaytex

We actually recorded 4 songs already that came out just as well so the click isn't an issue for this band IMO.
As to the snare comment, I hear you. The tracks that are posted here are all just about sitting at unity gain except for the 2 room tracks. and aren't processed at all. I have a secret weapon for this snare come mix time, that was planned out from the get go. I think by late next week I should be finished with a mix (hopefully ), and you should be much happier.
Thanks.

Cheers, good post BTW.

Have a good day.

Davo

[Mr. Liszt]

Originally Posted by Slaytex

Here's just the room mic (X-15 stereo ribbon) which was 10-12 feet away in front of the kit at the same height as the toms.

Stereo room mic only!

Enjoy!

Awesome drum arrangement and drummer! I listened to all the tracks but I like the single stereo mic the best. Bass drum is too clicky for my tastes with the close mics added - but it's pretty modern and I am sure that's what your going for and it sounds good for that.

I'm curious to know what do you have going on with the bass drum as far as size of the drum, beater type, dampening, close mic used, close mic position and anything else you want to add.

[Slaytex]

Originally Posted by Mr. Liszt

Awesome drum arrangement and drummer! I listened to all the tracks but I like the single stereo mic the best. Bass drum is too clicky for my tastes with the close mics added - but it's pretty modern and I am sure that's what your going for and it sounds good for that.

I'm curious to know what do you have going on with the bass drum as far as size of the drum, beater type, dampening, close mic used, close mic position and anything else you want to add.

I'll ask the drummer about the size kick drum he has and beater type. For me, I just stuck the Beta 52 about 2 inches into the sound hole (that blue stipe that goes around the base of the grill on the mic was flush with the sound hole opening). I was really just wanting to get a really big low end from the close mic and use the mids from the room to help balance it out. I was messing around with the tracks last night and I've got a good bit of variety to work with for it, so i'm excited to start mixing.