Best way to convert 48-44 in PT HD

[vudoo]

I just finish mixing a few tunes that was recorded in 24 bits/ 48 Khz. All the mixing was done with PT HD using very few plugs and cool outboard gear. Now, what's the best way to convert it to 44Khz.
I've tried the PT, Samplitude, Sequoia SRC..and they all do things to the audio that i'm not too crazy about.
What are your suggestions ??? BTW, matering to tape is lovely but not an option for this project because of budget. Thanks.

PS. Maybe this is just me, but i still wonder what's the advantage of using 48k ( other than for post prod )...you loose so much more from converting to 44K than if you were to record in 44k to start out with.
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[RobMacki]

I usually do it in two passes.
Bounce Stems SRC to 44.1
Mix Stems and dither to 16 bit > Masterlink AES.
For music, I usually record and mix @ 88.2 | 24.
For Post I keep @ 48 but dither down to 16 bit.
ymmv

[joaquin]

If I have great outboard gear, like a Nice compressor-Limiter in the Mix Bus, I would send the signal from there, in it's analog form , to the best stereo convertor available...Lavry, Apogee, etc,... and then, straight in it's 44.1Khz 16bit digital form, to something like the Alesis Masterlink. and burn, burn

That's insane.

[joaquin]

Originally Posted by Lowdbrent

That's insane.

why? ...I'm assuming we already have the dither plug-in in PT(don't think this matters), that the compressor is rich in sound and harmonics... like a VT-7(!?), and that the A/D in the "Lavry" or "X" converter is better than the 192i/o!?

I'm also looking for a different approach than bouncing to disc, or to a stereo track, to down sample afterwards.....and burn, bur, burn

[largeunit]

I agree with Joaquin.

[blackcatdigi]

Originally Posted by vudoo

Now, what's the best way to convert it to 44Khz.

The best way I've found is to take the 24/48 file(s) to mastering and let them handle the final conversion.

OTOH, I don't have a problem with the 'Export File As Stereo/16/44.1/Best' option for quick ref burns...

YMMV.

[rolo]

maybe it's just me, but i really can't tell a difference going from 48 to 44.1 now,, 192, or 96 is a different story. i use a waves dither when i need to. but all in all , for the most part i still record at 44.1 24 bit. i have a digi hd3 accel with a 2 192's i'll sometimes record at 96 if i'm doing acoustical stuff, but for electronic i keep it at 44.1. keep in mind that i have a KILLER fron end. pre's, eq's and comp's for days. as long as the sound is right going in, i don't really think it will suffer too much in the digital world.

[rr1073]

1. Mix to 2 new tracks in your original session at 48/24.
2. Open a new session at 48/24 and import the two mixed tracks.
3. Bounce to disk from that session to 44/24. (multiple mono)
4. Open another new session at 44/24 and import those two tracks.
5. Bounce to disk from this session to 44/16. Set up a master fader and use dither.

[blackcatdigi]

Originally Posted by rr1073

1. Mix to 2 new tracks in your original session at 48/24.
2. Open a new session at 48/24 and import the two mixed tracks.
3. Bounce to disk from that session to 44/24. (multiple mono)
4. Open another new session at 44/24 and import those two tracks.
5. Bounce to disk from this session to 44/16. Set up a master fader and use dither.

Are you kidding?

GOOD GOD thats a convoluted process! Couldn't you come up with something that would add another step or two? BTW, what is the point of the 2nd additional session at the same bitrate/wordlength?

And you're convinced that all those extra steps are beneficial???

[Jax]

Originally Posted by rr1073

1. Mix to 2 new tracks in your original session at 48/24.
2. Open a new session at 48/24 and import the two mixed tracks.
3. Bounce to disk from that session to 44/24. (multiple mono)
4. Open another new session at 44/24 and import those two tracks.
5. Bounce to disk from this session to 44/16. Set up a master fader and use dither.

I think this is a joke. It's completely non-sensical. Not funny, but non-sensical.

[rr1073]

Jax:
Try it...you might be surprised.

[joaquin]

Originally Posted by rr1073

1. Mix to 2 new tracks in your original session at 48/24.
2. Open a new session at 48/24 and import the two mixed tracks.
3. Bounce to disk from that session to 44/24. (multiple mono)
4. Open another new session at 44/24 and import those two tracks.
5. Bounce to disk from this session to 44/16. Set up a master fader and use dither.

Hey rr1073. I my self too I'm in doubt if this is a joke indeed...care to share the logic behind your "proposal"?...

PS. cool cartoon at your website!!

[rr1073]

Joaquin:
This is something I had read about on another forum.
All I know is that I did a session at 96/48 and bounced directly to 44/16 from that session.
Then took the same session and went through all the machinations described above.
I then imported both mixes into another session and lined them up for comparison. There were definite differences to my ears. The second mix sounded louder, fuller and more defined.
It's a real pain to do...and I'm not sure it's worth it in all circumstances...but it definitely made a difference in that situation.

[joaquin]

If works for you...............then by all means!!
Now, I'm pretty sure that you can skip the: "2. Open a new session at 48/24 and import the two mixed tracks."
I my self, think that blackcatdigi suggestion...granted a nice mastering studio is the best

The best way I've found is to take the 24/48 file(s) to mastering and let them handle the final conversion.

Though, mine...sound exceptional!!

[dtmprod]

Try Audioease Barbabatch, they have a demo that'll convert 30 seconds. After you try this, you'll never do a downsample bounce in PT again. In comparison, PT definitely dulls the topend of the mix. A Barbabatch downsample sounds exactly like the original 24bit/48k mix.