.....Drum Rehab Versus Drumagog.....

[Ruudman]

No one can answer but the TL beta boys, but stay cool for a couple of days
and you can have them both as demo.


ruudman

[Shan]

Originally Posted by Ruudman

No one can answer but the TL beta boys, but stay cool for a couple of days
and you can have them both as demo.


ruudman

Ummm...you mean a few months. Or perhaps years?

Shane

[RoundBadge]

More Like never...
fuuck TL

[max cooper]

I saw a box a Guitar Center the other day and it said on it: TL Drum Rehab...



when I got closer I realized it was a mirage.

[T_R_S]

Originally Posted by 84K

Drum Rehab Versus Drumagog

Which one is better? What are the big differences? Limitations? I am a big fan of TL... we have all their other plugins at the studio... So for that, I am used to how they interface. Drumagog is cheaper... looks nice... so.... which one, and why buy it?

Considering you can't buy TL it's Vaporware. Go for Drumagog I bought in back in June it's pretty good on the PC side it will trigger MIDI from audio.

[maskedman72]

ok so now that drum rehab has been out for a bit, can anyone compare it to drumagog? what one is more accurate? pros/cons?

[T_R_S]

I was in a studio in July and they were using Drum Rehab .. Mono Samples only ...
The interface and Midi work better for me in Drumagog.
YMMV

[maskedman72]

ill have to demo it.
i love how digi charges $75 for a 2 day trial. how f**kin lame.

[DontLetMeDrown]

Originally Posted by maskedman72

ill have to demo it.
i love how digi charges $75 for a 2 day trial. how f**kin lame.

Ouch. Must be some good shit

[jacko]

To be honest - just by reading about its functions, I find it the best drum replacer. Drumagog has no editing options.

Ok, there is no stereo, but each drum track I record is mono. What I am looking for is the ability to replace drum tracks with samples (recorded during the session) and then squash drum tracks with compressors, limiters and distortions without caring about cymbals leakage

[RoundBadge]

Gog here..great to make my own smackin stereo or mono samples and wack em into the mix..,,
so fast/ simple and easy to use.
plus being able to tweak and layer, tune to the song,etcthumbsup

And Yes for certian things,stereo is way cool.
tight mic'd kicks with a little L/R amiencethumbsup

Customer service is Great..easy to reach on the phone,etc..great product

[Doublehelix]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Gog here..great to make my own smackin stereo or mono samples and wack em into the mix..,,
so fast/ simple and easy to use.
plus being able to tweak and layer, tune to the song,etcthumbsup

And Yes for certian things,stereo is way cool.
tight mic'd kicks with a little L/R amiencethumbsup

Customer service is Great..easy to reach on the phone,etc..great product

+1 on Drumagog, and I have to echo all of RoundBadge's comments, although I have never used Drum Rehab, so I cannot compare the two. I am not sure what you can do in Drum Rehab that I cannot do with Drumagog. Can someone explain what you mean by "editing"? Applying effects (compression, etc.) is easily done in the DAW, and I can obviously edit timing errors in the DAW as well.

I guess I should probably look into what Drum Rehab has to offer, but I am not sure what I would gain.

[Bang]

Obviously I haven't tried Rehab, but in the making of my drum sample CD, we used Drumagog and its unreal. You can really replace hits very accurately and naturally and DYNAMICALLY. Love that plugin.

My drum sample CD is out now for anyone who is interested, audio demos at:

www.stevenslatedrums.com

[Steve MacMillan]

Can someone explain what you mean by "editing"?

Drum rehab has a waveform window that shows the triggers. Triggers can be moved, added, or deleated. It's the one thing that Drum Rehab does thats better than Drumagog. Drum Rehab also has some nice envelope shaping tools. Most of the plug-ins that Digidesigns buys out never seem to get any further developement so I wouldn't expect a stereo version, too bad.


STeve

[PlatinumSamples]

Originally Posted by Steve MacMillan

Drum rehab has a waveform window that shows the triggers. Triggers can be moved, added, or deleated. It's the one thing that Drum Rehab does thats better than Drumagog. Drum Rehab also has some nice envelope shaping tools. Most of the plug-ins that Digidesigns buys out never seem to get any further developement so I wouldn't expect a stereo version, too bad.


STeve

Steven Massey coded Drum Rehab... you could always petition Digi to hire him to update it.

Cheers.

Rail

[CompEq]

I prefer a real drummer...


so if you can afford to wait for him to get out, by all means send him to rehab!!!

[maskedman72]

ok mabye i am a bit out there on this but mabye not, perhaps there is even something out there similar to this(sound replacer?), perhaps not. so let me know if this exists.

i cant wait for someone to develop a plug that will analyze say, a pre recorded snare track and record all of its dynamics, flams rolls and so on, and all you do is select a sample and bam! a perfect sampled snare track with no mistriggers. even at fast tempos.

i have drumagog and i do love it when i can get it to work, but on extreme metal and blastbeats i have never been able to get it to work. it seems that it only works well on slow stuff.

so my next question is how the hell do andy sneap and neil kernon do it so perfectly?? can anyone explain or post any links to their methods?

[Bang]

Originally Posted by CompEq

I prefer a real drummer...


so if you can afford to wait for him to get out, by all means send him to rehab!!!

I don't think anyone actually prefers a real drummer, but I guess sometimes we are forced to deal with one

I find that feeding them regularly and having a bottle of Jack Daniels available at all times helps things when you're dealing with drummers.

[BrettPortzer]

I worked on a record with Neil Kernon one time, and he just used Sound Replacer. He would fix and clean up a copy of the actual track, and then it would trigger pretty cleanly with sound replacer.

This was maybe 4 years ago, but he didn't use more than one sample, no velocity layers or anything, and it took him about a week to do the album on his power book, using PT Free.

Of course, he wasn't very heavily into pro tools at that point, so who knows what he is up to nowadays.

[brett]

Originally Posted by maskedman72

ok mabye i am a bit out there on this but mabye not, perhaps there is even something out there similar to this(sound replacer?), perhaps not. so let me know if this exists.

i cant wait for someone to develop a plug that will analyze say, a pre recorded snare track and record all of its dynamics, flams rolls and so on, and all you do is select a sample and bam! a perfect sampled snare track with no mistriggers. even at fast tempos.

i have drumagog and i do love it when i can get it to work, but on extreme metal and blastbeats i have never been able to get it to work. it seems that it only works well on slow stuff.

so my next question is how the hell do andy sneap and neil kernon do it so perfectly?? can anyone explain or post any links to their methods?

[DontLetMeDrown]

Originally Posted by maskedman72

so my next question is how the hell do andy sneap and neil kernon do it so perfectly?? can anyone explain or post any links to their methods?

Boost the freq with an eq plug before drumagog. Then drumagog only sees nice clean transients. Also, by default, drumagog starts up with the threshold on "auto". Change this to 32ms. This should pick up every kick. The only time i get mistriggers in drumagog is when I make a mistake.

[maskedman72]

Originally Posted by DontLetMeDrown

Boost the freq with an eq plug before drumagog. Then drumagog only sees nice clean transients. Also, by default, drumagog starts up with the threshold on "auto". Change this to 32ms. This should pick up every kick. The only time i get mistriggers in drumagog is when I make a mistake.

boost what freq?

[Bang]

Lets say you are replacing a snare drum. However the snare has a bunch of leakage on it. If you filter the leakage and slam 2k, you're going to be feeding the trigger algo with a better source of teh snare, and therefore you won't get mis triggers.

Another thing I would do is make sure all your hard top velocity hits are fairly even on the source track. You don't want a lower velocity hit where a hard hit should be.

[superbee]

Drumagog works great! Customer service is A+. Very fair price.
I have found that with any drum replacing software you do need to tweak a bit to get what ya want.

Best,
Brian

[jacko]

What I find really great in Drum Rehab is the ability of editing every single hit. Let's say that you are not happy with the amplitude of some hits, or with the uneven drum rolls. You can fix all of this manually. Drumagog does not have that feature.

[Auslander]

Originally Posted by BrettPortzer

I worked on a record with Neil Kernon one time, and he just used Sound Replacer. He would fix and clean up a copy of the actual track, and then it would trigger pretty cleanly with sound replacer.

This was maybe 4 years ago, but he didn't use more than one sample, no velocity layers or anything, and it took him about a week to do the album on his power book, using PT Free.

Of course, he wasn't very heavily into pro tools at that point, so who knows what he is up to nowadays.

[brett]

Yeah, that whole process was really slow. I use a number of different techniques these days, depending on the project. I still use SR for some things, but not as much. I tried Drumagog and didn't like it as much as SR.

These days I've got an HD3 and a Quad G5 in my rig, so I can work about a billion times faster than I could with my old PB.

Nice to see you here Brett - how have you been?

Neil

[Auslander]

Originally Posted by maskedman72

how the hell do andy sneap and neil kernon do it so perfectly?? can anyone explain or post any links to their methods?

It takes some patience and time, but it's not really as difficult as all that. There really isn't one perfect method because every drummer/drum sound is different, so the transients respond differently etc. I have a handful of different techniques and use the one (s) that work best in each situation. I also use different samples a lot, so that often makes things a bit more complicated.