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Old 13th April 2005, 12:57 PM   #1
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When Doves Cry...

I'll be darned if there's no bass track on that song....


I'm sure I've noticed it before.....


Has anyone left the bass track off of a song because that's what it neeed? Just wondering.
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Old 13th April 2005, 03:27 PM   #2
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The same thing with "Kiss" by Prince.

I once read a great story about how "Kiss" was actually written and produced for a band that Prince was producing at the time. His then engineer worked on the song one night. The next day the engineer got back to the studio. Prince had loaded the tape and basically said: "Thanks for the great work. Sorry, but this is my song now."

Arrangement has got a lot to do with being able to leave out an instrument as critical as bass.

As out-there as he can be, Prince is a genius.
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Old 13th April 2005, 03:40 PM   #3
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I'll be darned if there's no bass track on that song....
I'm sure I've noticed it before.....
Has anyone left the bass track off of a song because that's what it neeed? Just wondering.
I do it quite a lot- but I am using very hectic breakbeats and detuned guitars- thewre just isnt room down there.

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Old 13th April 2005, 04:30 PM   #4
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I'll be darned if there's no bass track on that song....
No hi-hat neither.

I remember Miles Davis mentioning in his autobiography about Prince telling him of his dislike of basslines.

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Old 13th April 2005, 04:37 PM   #5
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I once read a great story about how "Kiss" was actually written and produced for a band that Prince was producing at the time. His then engineer worked on the song one night. The next day the engineer got back to the studio. Prince had loaded the tape and basically said: "Thanks for the great work. Sorry, but this is my song now."
That story was reposted here:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=16718

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Old 13th April 2005, 04:40 PM   #6
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I also heard (obviously I have no first hand knowledge of this) that the record company refused the mix of "Kiss" because it was a dance song without a bass line. That was one of the first major riffs between Prince and the label.

They said that a record without a bass line will never sell, they refused to put it on the album, refused to release it as a single and refused to promote it until he took the song back and put bass in. In the end Prince won the fight and had a HUGE song WITHOUT A BASS LINE!!

That just goes to show how little the label mooks really know about music and the public. Let the artist be free to create, the mooks should spend time... mooking.....
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Old 13th April 2005, 05:00 PM   #7
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As out-there as he can be, Prince is a genius.
Not to mention a crazy baller with killer game. Just ask Charley Murphy.
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Old 13th April 2005, 06:00 PM   #8
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I could be wrong but I believe those are also his 2 biggest hits. Whodathinkit? Two of the if not the two biggest funk hits ever have no bass. No bass funk is almost an oxymoron. Absolutely perfect tunes though.
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Old 13th April 2005, 06:01 PM   #9
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picksail?

This thread would be incomplete with a Prince comment from picksail.
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"Not to mention a crazy baller with killer game. Just ask Charley Murphy."

LOL!!!

That skit was great!




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Not to mention a crazy baller with killer game. Just ask Charley Murphy.
...all while wearing the same cloths they had on at the club earlier...

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Old 13th April 2005, 10:35 PM   #12
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Yup, great stuff.

Whatever you think of him, everytime I hear interviews with him, I'm always impressed. He knows what he is talking about.
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Old 13th April 2005, 11:10 PM   #13
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I saw Prince (or actually T.A.F.K.A.P. at that time) maybe four or five years ago; one show in Orange County and one at the Hollywood Bowl. Larry Graham and the Station were the opening act. Seeing Prince perform live, I had to pick my jaw up off the floor several times. He's just amazing.

The fact that Prince has outlandish personal style and weird mannerisms isn't odd when you consider the Pantheon of Funkateers and R&B artists; James Brown, Bootsy, George Cinton, Sly Stewart, Larry Blackmon, Rick James, Little Richard, Morris Day, Isaac Hayes, etc.
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