The development of hip-hop sound & engineering - Page 2

djavid15 · 5th July 2005

I think that hip hop has gone way downhill from the early and mid 90's. All of the music before that time frame seemed rather silly to me, and all the music after just annoys me. I got sucked into watching mtv2 for five minutes today, and they were giving a sneak peak at the "up and comers" in hip hop. These guys were terrible! The thing that makes me laugh is, you have these guys with gigantic egos, who are nothing in the eyes of the industry, but you see them, and they have this attitude like they run the biz. I just find it hillarious. They showed one rapper on there, named chammillionaire, and this guy sounded so bad! I don't understand this whole huge ego thing. I personally enjoy the softer, message-driven, soulful hip hop. I'm a huge fan of Common, and it really dissapointed me that he chose to work with kanye on BE. Kanye was ok at the very beginning, but he and his music just rub me the wrong way anymore, ever since I found out that he ripped "Jesus Walks" off of another rapper. There is a small percentage of rap that is listenable on mainstream radio right now, and it's sad that I can't think of one song off the top of my head. This whole thing with rapping about your money, or how much your platinum fronts cost is all bullsh** to me. I was hoping and praying that would die out after the late 90's but it kept on chugging along because that's what sells!

I've already had rappers tell me that they like a beat, but they need something more ear-catching so that people will listen. I said, "So....................You want a gimmick, right?" He then proceeded to reenact a person listening and sounding suprised with a "hot beat" and then proceeding to listen to the song because of that. I know that music needs to catch the ear, but why is the consumer market is so childlike, or at least thought to be? I remember a presentation at my school on drugs where they would throw short popular hollywood movie clips into the video pertaining to the situations being acted out. I was disgusted! I felt like asking the coordinator if he/she thought I was a two year old that needed flashes of popular movies to keep me interested! I think we're all fu**ed!

I know that I got way off topic, but I just needed to vent. Good day to all!

rickrock305 · 5th July 2005

don't get down, there's still great hip hop out there! You just can't find it on the radio, you have to dig a bit deeper than MTV or Clear Channel.

missilanious · 5th July 2005

the only difference in the mid 90's you can find quality hiphop on the billboards and even the stuff you have to dig for sucks compared to earlier underground hiphop found at the same time.

Phil Gates · 6th July 2005

Some of the biggest problems with hip hop today...

Hip Hop Started in the streets...

Industry bribed us with money...

Many Sold Out (not by taking the money but by changing the way they did things, for the industry... 2 get in i mean.)...

Many who took the money never came back (not meaning they should give handouts, but most of us know damn sure who deserved what... a.k.a. STREET LEGENDS, Many of which paved the way but yet are BROKE.)...

Usually it was the garbage that got the breaks because REAL mf's wouldn't suck a dk 4 a deal...

Because of this I Feel We 4got the most Important rules in hip hop...

1. IF YOU WEREN'T GOOD, YOU CAN'T HANG WITH US.

2. INNOVATION.(and i don't mean GIMMIKS).

3. Last but definately NOT LEAST... DON'T BITE. N@gg@s Got Killed 4 That Ish...

but now labels tell us what we should sound like, A&Rs tell us, Puffy tells us...
Lil Jon Tells us...

NEVER did we think of how clean it was... IT Was HOW REAL & TALENTED it was.

now that everyone can get an MBOX an MPC and a RHyming dictionary or something...
Everyone has a label...

I've seen classes in schools about HIP HOP with people questioning why Lil' Kim does Hip Hop... VERSACE STUPID!

If we want to learn why someone started ask roxanne shante or someone who didn't really know the amount of money that you can make...

All In All Engineering in Hip Hop Is No Different Than Any other Genre... It has always been about painting a picture with no colors... Just that picture is not a band in a stadium or concerty or club, the picture we paint is on a street corner or in a park jam...

I Think technically we have came a long way... But alot of us took the technology 4granted... And Now Most People Don't Make REAL MUSIC, no Matter HOW CLEAN it is...

REAL, DON't MEAN CRACK And GUNZ Either...

Oh And Not 2 Many REAL Peepz In Chi Like KANYE Either... F*** Kanye, Dug INF or NO I.D. Should be Making his cake(but niether of them nor many others would follow Dame Dash to every club he goes to like a male groupie)...
So i guess he deserves it...But he still can't REALLy walk the streets out here...

Back On Subject... I Feel that no matter how much we've grown with the technical aspect of hip hop, If we lose the essence of what it truly is... It's pretty much worthless... Except to all the kids in the stores who's parents buy thier equipment, right?

So I think we've grown, but we haven't. Alot of it is cleaner, crispier, sh@ttier...
You's get the idea... but what the hell do I know I'm broke...

ttauri · 6th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickrock305

you have to dig a bit deeper than MTV or Clear Channel.

Going back to what Curve said about how well understood "commercial sounding" is at all levels of the game, I reckon this is another example of how much Clear Channel and the gatekeepers' perspective has been absorbed (see: all Bob Olhsson's comments on the topic).

Prolly the same with rock now too, but interesting how well internalized that sense of what sonically makes it past the focus groups has become. It seems far more palpable to younger just-starting-out folks today than it seemed to me when I was just figuring out what making music was about.

Peece,
T. Tauri

5th July 2005	#31
djavid15 Gear maniac Joined: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 223	I think that hip hop has gone way downhill from the early and mid 90's. All of the music before that time frame seemed rather silly to me, and all the music after just annoys me. I got sucked into watching mtv2 for five minutes today, and they were giving a sneak peak at the "up and comers" in hip hop. These guys were terrible! The thing that makes me laugh is, you have these guys with gigantic egos, who are nothing in the eyes of the industry, but you see them, and they have this attitude like they run the biz. I just find it hillarious. They showed one rapper on there, named chammillionaire, and this guy sounded so bad! I don't understand this whole huge ego thing. I personally enjoy the softer, message-driven, soulful hip hop. I'm a huge fan of Common, and it really dissapointed me that he chose to work with kanye on BE. Kanye was ok at the very beginning, but he and his music just rub me the wrong way anymore, ever since I found out that he ripped "Jesus Walks" off of another rapper. There is a small percentage of rap that is listenable on mainstream radio right now, and it's sad that I can't think of one song off the top of my head. This whole thing with rapping about your money, or how much your platinum fronts cost is all bullsh to me. I was hoping and praying that would die out after the late 90's but it kept on chugging along because that's what sells! I've already had rappers tell me that they like a beat, but they need something more ear-catching so that people will listen. I said, "So....................You want a gimmick, right?" He then proceeded to reenact a person listening and sounding suprised with a "hot beat" and then proceeding to listen to the song because of that. I know that music needs to catch the ear, but why is the consumer market is so childlike, or at least thought to be? I remember a presentation at my school on drugs where they would throw short popular hollywood movie clips into the video pertaining to the situations being acted out. I was disgusted! I felt like asking the coordinator if he/she thought I was a two year old that needed flashes of popular movies to keep me interested! I think we're all fued! I know that I got way off topic, but I just needed to vent. Good day to all! __________________ Dance my minions! DANCE!!!!

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5th July 2005	#32
rickrock305 Gear Guru Joined: Jun 2005 Location: Miami FL Posts: 10,072	don't get down, there's still great hip hop out there! You just can't find it on the radio, you have to dig a bit deeper than MTV or Clear Channel.

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missilanious Gear Head Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 54	the only difference in the mid 90's you can find quality hiphop on the billboards and even the stuff you have to dig for sucks compared to earlier underground hiphop found at the same time.

6th July 2005	#34
Phil Gates Gear interested Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 8	Some of the biggest problems with hip hop today... Hip Hop Started in the streets... Industry bribed us with money... Many Sold Out (not by taking the money but by changing the way they did things, for the industry... 2 get in i mean.)... Many who took the money never came back (not meaning they should give handouts, but most of us know damn sure who deserved what... a.k.a. STREET LEGENDS, Many of which paved the way but yet are BROKE.)... Usually it was the garbage that got the breaks because REAL mf's wouldn't suck a dk 4 a deal... Because of this I Feel We 4got the most Important rules in hip hop... 1. IF YOU WEREN'T GOOD, YOU CAN'T HANG WITH US. 2. INNOVATION.(and i don't mean GIMMIKS). 3. Last but definately NOT LEAST... DON'T BITE. N@gg@s Got Killed 4 That Ish... but now labels tell us what we should sound like, A&Rs tell us, Puffy tells us... Lil Jon Tells us... NEVER did we think of how clean it was... IT Was HOW REAL & TALENTED it was. now that everyone can get an MBOX an MPC and a RHyming dictionary or something... Everyone has a label... I've seen classes in schools about HIP HOP with people questioning why Lil' Kim does Hip Hop... VERSACE STUPID! If we want to learn why someone started ask roxanne shante or someone who didn't really know the amount of money that you can make... All In All Engineering in Hip Hop Is No Different Than Any other Genre... It has always been about painting a picture with no colors... Just that picture is not a band in a stadium or concerty or club, the picture we paint is on a street corner or in a park jam... I Think technically we have came a long way... But alot of us took the technology 4granted... And Now Most People Don't Make REAL MUSIC, no Matter HOW CLEAN it is... REAL, DON't MEAN CRACK And GUNZ Either... Oh And Not 2 Many REAL Peepz In Chi Like KANYE Either... F*** Kanye, Dug INF or NO I.D. Should be Making his cake(but niether of them nor many others would follow Dame Dash to every club he goes to like a male groupie)... So i guess he deserves it...But he still can't REALLy walk the streets out here... Back On Subject... I Feel that no matter how much we've grown with the technical aspect of hip hop, If we lose the essence of what it truly is... It's pretty much worthless... Except to all the kids in the stores who's parents buy thier equipment, right? So I think we've grown, but we haven't. Alot of it is cleaner, crispier, sh@ttier... You's get the idea... but what the hell do I know I'm broke...