whose thrown in the towel on speaker miking due to sample replacement?
or do ya still love it? jazz or rocker?
for me, simpler is always better. less mics, less phase probs, more tone.
i personally never have trouble getting sub frequencies out of kicks, so why add another mic to complicate matters. also, i prefer the bass to sit below the kick so i don't need kicks to have much in the 20-50hz area. thats bass territory for me, personally.
Haven't used one for a long time but I just mixed an album where they used one and I used it in a mix together with d12 (inside I assume). That worked perfectly for kind of alternative rock stuff that needed a massive kick sound.
For my tracking I tend to use FOK far enough to capture the lower octave(sometimes with added close mic for kick inside or just outside the hole) of kick and toms.. I don't really care about the spill as it mostly works as a mono 'room' mic as well.. Whatever works.
Btw what do you guys do if you need to compress the sub kick with other kick mic(s)? Do you group them together or compress individually? I tend to find big phase problems if not grouping together.. If you compress the sub kick separately what compressor do you use to control the beast?
It depends on what mic you place inside the kick but yes, mine gets used all the time along with an r121. I normally flip the phase on the external mic so they are used to subtract rather than add. I find the subkick to be very good in this regard since it's god not leakage and its frequency response is focused where I need it to be.
i've used the woofer of an e-voice 1202 monitor wedge in front of the kick. i place the wegde sideways on a skateboard and roll back and forth for phase with the inside mic (mostly a 421 or D12).
the great advantage of that method is that the 12" woofer won't pick up high frequencies, so there's hardly any cymbal and hihat spill on that mic, even if it's half a foot in front of the drum.
but i don't feel that the speaker gives me any low end that i wouldn't get with a mic like a 47, Royer R-121 or the likes. So mostly I just pack the kick in blankets and use one of these mics on the outside.
I don't tend to monitor with it (keep it muted when tracking) but my mix engineer always uses it when push comes to shove.
I know what you mean about getting all the subs from one mic but I tend to look at like I'm getting the, for lack of better terms, click and punch from the mic and any more bloom I need from the sub-kick.