Proof that a lot of us are wrong.

[stafs]

As a song 'you're so gay' was something that took pop music back to MUSIC (at least IMHO). When after a weeks of hearing 'I kissed i girl' i understood - that's the same artist, who is singin it, i got depressed. WTF - song was so bad, that i didn't even noticed the same girl singing it. Worst - i did not even listened to this piece of 'moneypop', when it was played on radio, it just passed my ears, because this song was total crap. How can i compare this with to 'You're so gay'?
I'm talking about song, not the sound...

[3tono]

Max Martin... Ring a Bell

[JP11]

Well this chick (er, I mean artist) must be doing something right (or maybe wrong) to garner more than 1 thread on an audio forum for what is predominately males who I assume are over the age of 12.

Roll over Madonna and tell Britney the news.

As far as the song or the engineering goes...who cares?

[confooshus]

How bout if we listen to the song that the "all stars of GS" are gonna do , once it's done of course (All-star project idea for forum members?) , and then we see which is the most listenable...

[chk027]

Originally Posted by JP11

I totally think Katy Perry is like totally total and awesomely gay and she's a genius for stealing that song from that old lady.

I also think Hanna Montana is awesome and I think The Jonas Brothers song called Hello Goodbye in that Target ad is awesome and they're totally awesome geniuses (they're like the new Beatles only totally awesomer).





(what's happening to this place.)

fking embarrassing isn't it???

[mikeynyuk]

Originally Posted by kittyboy

H

There has to still be room in the market for well-crafted songs that actually say something, that tell a story well, or uplift the listener, or all of the above.

Such songs will always have an audience. They're just harder to write and execute!

You are completely correct. Good music touches people and that will always seperate the wheat from the hay. There is still good music being made I believe. For example, I listened to "Grace Kelly" by Mika directly after listening to "I kissed a girl", same kind of groove, good mix, "modern" in its own way too. My point is, in 10 years time people will still listen to Grace Kelly and other good songs, where as this song will just be deleted off all but the most disorganized iPod. (or whatever music listening device consumers will use in 2018!)

As for you Nickynick, I'll reply to your post in a minute... I seem to recall you saying something about me "not knowing good music if it slapped me in the face"....

Consider me insulted if that was your aim.

There is still good music being made as I hope there always will be, but this is about as representative of that as a MacDonalds happy meal is of a healthy, balanced diet.

I'm not saying its a bad mix by the way, the only thing the engineer has control over, just a crap, crass and worthless song. Please don't tell me this is great pop in this decade or any decade. Please dont tell me I'm too "old school" or out of touch with what a good pop song is today.

I play pop music to a packed house of teens and twenties 6 nights a week in one of the busiest bars in Tenerife. I get to acid test new songs all the time. Some songs wont work (like this one), some for a few months or a year, some have actual longevity. I consider myself to be in an excellent position to make these judgement's, I wouldn't have kept my job for the last five years if I couldn't.

I agree everyone has there own tastes, and these vary, but to write a truly great pop song it has to be more than "catchy". A great pop song can be so much more, innovative, evocative, emotive, those kinds of words.

"I kissed a girl" is quite catchy, not the catchiest, but catchy. Beyond that, really, what is there?....

Time for a urinating monkey

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by Knox

I venture to say you are a fairly young guy. Which is cool. But maybe that is why it appeals to you. In no way am I saying your opinion is invalid, but I will simply say I disagree with you. Which is fine of course that we disagree. But what is the big deal about this mix or performance? Or the so called 'playing'. It's a drum loop, (sequencer?), synth bass, synths and very simple guitar chords (sounds like Am / C /Dm / F over and over), some vocals and a lot of compression and auto tune (or so it seems to me from the 30 seconds I heard at iTunes). Yea, it's a fairly fun tune . . . . . . but as far as ability, it isn't Sgt Pepper or Machine Gun, Little Wing or First Time Ever I Saw Your Face etc where it took a lot of talent. I would say Red Rain or many other things where the mix took some real talent blow it out of the water if you are talking true ability. Where the players were playing instruments, chord structures etc not loops and sequencers. But of course, I assume that is somewhat your point . . but I have a feeling you won't be hearing this much in a year . . . certainly won't stand the test of time, like most of what you hear these days. It's more computer then music ability. Not into that. It just seems like no big deal at all to me, but if you dig it, so be it!

It also sounds like a lot of stuff we used to hear in dance clubs in NYC in the 80s, w/o all the computers tricks (of course). Synths and sequencers.

btw . . I'm sure you have heard Jill Sobule's 'I Kissed a Girl' that came out years back

I was in high school in the eighties....and remember people shitting on things then that are now being hailed as classic...so much for your intuition.....also everyone that's trying to say that it isn't a big deal to mix a song like this is full of shit...really...this is a bonafide hit....the real thing and a bunch of you are pretending that you could have done as good a job or something better...I don't think so boys.....

....AGAIN THIS IS ABOUT USING THE TOOLS YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOMETHING ROCK...a lot of you obviously don't know how to do that....THIS GUY (one of our peers) DID A GREAT JOB ......

...also THE BEATLES released a little song called "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" and "I Saw Her Standing There"....please tell me you don't think these songs were anything but fun Pop songs with a little controversy(for the time) thrown in for good measure...does this detract from the fact that they were well done....really honestly a lot of you guys need to get over yourselves and learn to appreciate things for what they are.

Nick

[bcgood]

It's all about the kazoo I'm telling you. It's gonna come back BIG TIME!!!

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by mikeynyuk

You are completely correct. Good music touches people and that will always seperate the wheat from the hay. There is still good music being made I believe. For example, I listened to "Grace Kelly" by Mika directly after listening to "I kissed a girl", same kind of groove, good mix, "modern" in its own way too. My point is, in 10 years time people will still listen to Grace Kelly and other good songs, where as this song will just be deleted off all but the most disorganized iPod. (or whatever music listening device consumers will use in 2018!)

As for you Nickynick, I'll reply to your post in a minute... I seem to recall you saying something about me "not knowing good music if it slapped me in the face"....

Consider me insulted if that was your aim.

There is still good music being made as I hope there always will be, but this is about as representative of that as a MacDonalds happy meal is of a healthy, balanced diet.

I'm not saying its a bad mix by the way, the only thing the engineer has control over, just a crap, crass and worthless song. Please don't tell me this is great pop in this decade or any decade. Please dont tell me I'm too "old school" or out of touch with what a good pop song is today.

I play pop music to a packed house of teens and twenties 6 nights a week in one of the busiest bars in Tenerife. I get to acid test new songs all the time. Some songs wont work (like this one), some for a few months or a year, some have actual longevity. I consider myself to be in an excellent position to make these judgement's, I wouldn't have kept my job for the last five years if I couldn't.

I agree everyone has there own tastes, and these vary, but to write a truly great pop song it has to be more than "catchy". A great pop song can be so much more, innovative, evocative, emotive, those kinds of words.

"I kissed a girl" is quite catchy, not the catchiest, but catchy. Beyond that, really, what is there?....

Time for a urinating monkey

You "play" music?...well I guess that about sums that up....you have an ipod and this song isn't on your list...well I stand corrected then.

[mikeynyuk]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

You "play" music?...well I guess that about sums that up....you have an ipod and this song isn't on your list...well I stand corrected then.

Yes, I PLAY music, on keyboards. You know, with all the chords and stuff. (I use both hands) My band and I make piles of money by knowing how to play music well, knowing how to entertain crowds and by knowing what people like to listen to. We specialize in knowing and performing fun, catchy music that people party to. I don't think my job would suit you, although being an asshole is an asset in my job...(as you can tell)

Seriously, whatever dude, if you like the song, cool. I respect that. And I'm sure I and many others could learn a trick or two regarding production techniques from the mix, though personally it would be too painful for me to have to listen to this song for that. Truthfully, I listen to alot of world music and chill-out for my own pleasure, but I'm a sucker for a great pop song. I just refuse to believe this is one.

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by mikeynyuk

Yes, I PLAY music, on keyboards. You know, with all the chords and stuff. (I use both hands) My band and I make piles of money by knowing how to play music well, knowing how to entertain crowds and by knowing what people like to listen to. We specialize in knowing and performing fun, catchy music that people party to. I don't think my job would suit you, although being an asshole is an asset in my job...(as you can tell)

Seriously, whatever dude, if you like the song, cool. I respect that. And I'm sure I and many others could learn a trick or two regarding production techniques from the mix, though personally it would be too painful for me to have to listen to this song for that. Truthfully, I listen to alot of world music and chill-out for my own pleasure, but I'm a sucker for a great pop song. I just refuse to believe this is one.

So what I gather from this is that you"PLAY" keyboards in a COVER BAND. Cool.

[mikeynyuk]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

So what I gather from this is that you"PLAY" keyboards in a COVER BAND. Cool.

I do. I'm excellent at my job. I am also a recording enthusiast and have been for ten years. My job is fun and functional and I get well paid, which allows me to buy gear. The real bonus however is being on stand-by to help all these brainwashed girls live out there bi-sexual threesome fantasies.....

jeez, maybe this isn't such a bad song after all for us to do

So whats your cool job?

[Knox]

"lighten up Francis" . . you obviously have a real need to be "right'. As I said, it's perfectly fine that 'you' think it's a cool song, so obviously . . . it's fine many of us disagree. But you are acting like a little kid who is not getting his way and waaa waaa-ing. If you post something like you did (original post) . . . be ready for possible contrary views.

btw . . some of the songs you were listening to in the 80s (while you were in "high school") . . the ones you might be referring to . . some of us might have done or been involved with in some way . . . as well as some of the songs you heard while you were in grammar school . . . yet you are calling some of us "full of shit". You must be a 'jeanyers' . . . er, genius.

If the whole world only liked what you liked . . . or what I liked, it would be a boring world (musically speaking). Thank God there are contrary opinions / tastes in music. Those contrary views gave us artists like Coltrane, Miles and Hendrix over pop like Pat Boone. Sadly today it is a lot of sameness and more computer then musical talent to some of us who experienced it over the generations . . . AND as you are seeing, for some who didn't who simply have different preferences and tastes then you.

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

I was in high school in the eighties....and remember people shitting on things then that are now being hailed as classic...so much for your intuition.....also everyone that's trying to say that it isn't a big deal to mix a song like this is full of shit...really...this is a bonafide hit....the real thing and a bunch of you are pretending that you could have done as good a job or something better...I don't think so boys.....

....AGAIN THIS IS ABOUT USING THE TOOLS YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOMETHING ROCK...a lot of you obviously don't know how to do that....THIS GUY (one of our peers) DID A GREAT JOB ......

...also THE BEATLES released a little song called "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" and "I Saw Her Standing There"....please tell me you don't think these songs were anything but fun Pop songs with a little controversy(for the time) thrown in for good measure...does this detract from the fact that they were well done....really honestly a lot of you guys need to get over yourselves and learn to appreciate things for what they are.

Nick

[kittyboy]

Whoa, Nicky, are you steamin' over there?

Why?

Why get worked up over nuthin'?


Some people--a lot of people it turns out--don't like a song that you like.

So what?

Why get worked up into personal attack? No one's attacking you, so why are you attacking others?

Can you see how that's weird?

[dbbubba]

I am trying to think of a way to describe how I feel about people on this forum finding anything "new', "fresh", "inspiring", "original" or any other term that would signify that this song in any way different than most of the other pop crap they throw out there for the masses.

I can't find one except one already used.... embarrasing.

wait... Everyone seeks their own level of excellence.


.... and hell yeah posters on this site responded to the video and song.
A bit of soft woman on woman porn gets a predominantly male audience's attention every time don't it?

SH*T song and a cheap sell.
The masses will fall for it every time.

Remember 2 Live Crew?

[dbbubba]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

So what I gather from this is that you"PLAY" keyboards in a COVER BAND. Cool.

You know what my friend?

Once you have been around the block enough times you realize that the gig is always the same. ALWAYS.
It is the PAY that varies.

You really wouldn't find the gigs I now do to be very prestigious, but you know what... they pay REALLY well.
My family and I live pretty well.
The gigs I have done with famous people where you would have LOVED to sit at my side and be a part of it... I STARVED IN THOSE DAYS.... and I WAS BUSY AS HELL.
It wasn't bad business practice... it was standard business practice.

Be VERY carefull of what you make fun of.
It may come back to haunt you.

Things change.

[Led]

Originally Posted by dbbubba

You know what my friend?

Once you have been around the block enough times you realize that the gig is always the same. ALWAYS.
It is the PAY that varies.

You really wouldn't find the gigs I now do to be very prestigious, but you know what... they pay REALLY well.
My family and I live pretty well.
The gigs I have done with famous people where you would have LOVED to sit at my side and be a part of it... I STARVED IN THOSE DAYS.... and I WAS BUSY AS HELL.
It wasn't bad business practice... it was standard business practice.
BC - your kazoo looks a bit like a kind of chillum...

Be VERY carefull of what you make fun of.
It may come back to haunt you.

Things change.

Well put Danny. There are 2 sorts of gigs....ones that are cool...and ones that pay really well. The 2 do sometimes meet, but it's not the norm. Same as any business, if you do it for a living, it's still a job.
BC- your kazoo looks a bit like some kind of chillum...

[Mayor999]

Originally Posted by dbbubba

Be VERY carefull of what you make fun of.
It may come back to haunt you.

Word. People need to chill.

xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe

Its easier to be an asshole to words than to people.

[audibleobsession]

Originally Posted by bcgood

I don't know, those intro drums somehow sound familiar...

Veryyyy familiar...

[henryrobinett]

I too play music professionally, meaning for a living.

I really am disappointed that you saw fit to feel attacked, especially by me. I understand how it happened, but it really wasn't like that. In my case I was merely trying to understand. I was never saying the song sucks. I was merely saying I didn't get it and was wondering what it was I was missing. I like o expand my listening appreciation sometimes. But then you attacked me. I thought that was a little strange, but I understand how we misunderstood each other.

When you say a certain song is a GREAT POP SONG you're almost setting yourself up for some disagreements along the line. You see, each one of us have taste and real world experience and opinions of what constitutes a GREAT POP SONG. So you put yourself out there, you're going to get some opinions back at you.

And you know what? Nobody's right and everybody's right and nobody's wrong/everybody's wrong. It's opinion. Everybody has a right to their own opinions, -- you too. But you have to be OK with everyone being right, right along side yourself, or you're going to have conflict.

It's OK you think that's a great pop song. I wanted to hear it and find out why you thought it was a great pop song. That's all. I wasn't really disagreeing with you. I was just saying I didn't get it and I wanted to.

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by Knox

"lighten up Francis" . . you obviously have a real need to be "right'. As I said, it's perfectly fine that 'you' think it's a cool song, so obviously . . . it's fine many of us disagree. But you are acting like a little kid who is not getting his way and waaa waaa-ing. If you post something like you did (original post) . . . be ready for possible contrary views.

btw . . some of the songs you were listening to in the 80s (while you were in "high school") . . the ones you might be referring to . . some of us might have done or been involved with in some way . . . as well as some of the songs you heard while you were in grammar school . . . yet you are calling some of us "full of shit". You must be a 'jeanyers' . . . er, genius.

If the whole world only liked what you liked . . . or what I liked, it would be a boring world (musically speaking). Thank God there are contrary opinions / tastes in music. Those contrary views gave us artists like Coltrane, Miles and Hendrix over pop like Pat Boone. Sadly today it is a lot of sameness and more computer then musical talent to some of us who experienced it over the generations . . . AND as you are seeing, for some who didn't who simply have different preferences and tastes then you.

I highly doubt you worked on any of those "classic" 80's pop songs....give me a break....like I said.....


THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER IT"S GOOD SONG OR NOT IT"S ABOUT HOW WELL IT WAS MIXED USING TOOLS AND PROCESS THAT I (AND OTHERS) USUALLY KNOCK..

what part of this is so hard to understand?...do you have that bad of an urge to present yourself as a music expert? I don't expect people to like music that I like...that's ridiculous....

...if you present yourself as someone that can do a better job, how 'bout you all back it up then? What mixes have you done that are better Hot Shot?

[audibleobsession]

As a side note, maybe the guys behind Katy Perry should have gotten their hands on the new metallica single...sounds like the basement recordings I did for my hard rock band years and years ago

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

I too play music professionally, meaning for a living.

I really am disappointed that you saw fit to feel attacked, especially by me. I understand how it happened, but it really wasn't like that. In my case I was merely trying to understand. I was never saying the song sucks. I was merely saying I didn't get it and was wondering what it was I was missing. I like o expand my listening appreciation sometimes. But then you attacked me. I thought that was a little strange, but I understand how we misunderstood each other.

When you say a certain song is a GREAT POP SONG you're almost setting yourself up for some disagreements along the line. You see, each one of us have taste and real world experience and opinions of what constitutes a GREAT POP SONG. So you put yourself out there, you're going to get some opinions back at you.

And you know what? Nobody's right and everybody's right and nobody's wrong/everybody's wrong. It's opinion. Everybody has a right to their own opinions, -- you too. But you have to be OK with everyone being right, right along side yourself, or you're going to have conflict.

It's OK you think that's a great pop song. I wanted to hear it and find out why you thought it was a great pop song. That's all. I wasn't really disagreeing with you. I was just saying I didn't get it and I wanted to.

Blah Blah Blah read the original post then comment on the mix please...I don't care if you disagree about what is a great pop song.

[henryrobinett]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

Blah Blah Blah read the original post then comment on the mix please...I don't care if you disagree about what is a great pop song.

But you seem to. The mix? I don't know. I'll listen again. Maybe the did make it a hit. But I come more from a songwriter/composer/musician angle before a mixing engineer angle. I can't really separate the two, or four.

I'll give it a go tomorrow and let you know what I think about it.

But personally I'd appreciate trying to communicate with a little more civility. The "blah, blah" stuff isn't really well mannered, you know. Hey, I'm trying. How about we both try?

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by dbbubba

You know what my friend?

Once you have been around the block enough times you realize that the gig is always the same. ALWAYS.
It is the PAY that varies.

You really wouldn't find the gigs I now do to be very prestigious, but you know what... they pay REALLY well.
My family and I live pretty well.
The gigs I have done with famous people where you would have LOVED to sit at my side and be a part of it... I STARVED IN THOSE DAYS.... and I WAS BUSY AS HELL.
It wasn't bad business practice... it was standard business practice.

Be VERY carefull of what you make fun of.
It may come back to haunt you.

Things change.

WTF are you talking about? I applaud evryone making their living in this business... I Play in cover bands and I record music and I mix live (For a Living) it's you that are dissing honest working people (Like Katy Perry and the guy who mixed the record)...I'm pointing out that mister cover band sure has a strong opinion about someone elses "original" music. Danny you are the one calling this music crap not me...why don't you take your own advice there buddy...and as a side note Danny you keep mentioning how high end you are...all the "famous" people you work with all the $600 per day gigs you do, all the huge festivals you've done....that's all good buddy but you aren't the only one who does good work...you know what I'm saying? so settle the F*&^ down with the accusations. I got something positive to say about the guys mix. So sue me asshole.

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by 3tono

Max Martin... Ring a Bell

and Dr. Luke, Cathy Dennis, Katy Perry.

You'd be bummed if it wasn't a hit with that many chefs in the kitchen...