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iangomes · 27th August 2008, 06:15 PM

i'm still searching for the vocal chain on kissed a girl. The vox are so sweet and smooth, especially the first verse

henryrobinett · 27th August 2008, 06:17 PM

nicky -- sorry but I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about the general attractiveness of this tune, beyond yours.

And maybe you don't see that I'm not putting the song down. I'm trying to understand what makes it work.

confooshus · 27th August 2008, 06:30 PM

Well I'll chime in. A couple months ago, my wife asked if I had heard the song about "kissing a girl", and I said "uh... could you be more specific?" And she said "no, it's a girl singing it!" For some reason, I assumed it was an urban type of song, no idea why.

Anyway a couple days later I heard it on the radio and it BLEW ME AWAY sonically. I hate the lyrics. I disagree with it morally on the literal level, as well as the exploitive level.

But man, production-wise that song is incredible. I can't believe how good the vocals sound. And the track... With that chorus bass line staying on the same note while the guitars do the changes.... I'm with you Nickynicknick, that's a pop song worth studying.

If you don't get it, fine. You're better than us. Leave us to wallow in our ignorance.

butterfly · 27th August 2008, 07:01 PM

Hmm some interesting opinion since I last posted. I think anyone who is trying to analyse the merits of the song is missing the point of the origonal post. If anything this song demonstrates the crucial role of the mix engineer in making a hit record, sure the title and content are mildly titlating to "teenagers" Kate perry is cute and photogenic but i think if it had been mixed by Joe shmoo from Nebraska the chances of it being a smash would have been seriously reduced. Now your general public can't probably articulate why they like a record and indeed probably just assume that the reason they like it is because it's a good song and that's fine. I played the song to my girlfriend recently and kind of used her as a guinea pig, not really her kind of thing, but she loved it, and after a bit of pushing and teasing, getting her to think outside of her usual box, I concluded that the things that grabbed her attention were the mix/production elements, such as the sparce chorus with big club bass, the formant shifting on the vox and the cut off ending. Somebody else also said to me recently That the reason they like the song was cause Kate perry had a fantasic voice.....well maybe, but it's certainly fantastic engineering on the vocal. Incidently there's a mix by Dr Luke on youtube I think, which has no-where near the impact of Joe Zook's mix, so go figure.

Jimbo · 27th August 2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by butterfly

[snip] getting her to think outside of her usual box [snip]

Is this another lesbian/sexuality comment?

butterfly · 27th August 2008, 07:32 PM

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Is this another lesbian/sexuality comment?

Hmm the funny thing is she had one of her girlfriends over last nite to stay, who is in fact bi-sexual and currently dating a woman and was kind of teasing me about what they might get up to, needless to say I didn't bite.

kittyboy · 27th August 2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by confooshus

Well I'll chime in. A couple months ago, my wife asked if I had heard the song about "kissing a girl", and I said "uh... could you be more specific?" And she said "no, it's a girl singing it!" For some reason, I assumed it was an urban type of song, no idea why.

Anyway a couple days later I heard it on the radio and it BLEW ME AWAY sonically. I hate the lyrics. I disagree with it morally on the literal level, as well as the exploitive level.

But man, production-wise that song is incredible. I can't believe how good the vocals sound. And the track... With that chorus bass line staying on the same note while the guitars do the changes.... I'm with you Nickynicknick, that's a pop song worth studying.

If you don't get it, fine. You're better than us. Leave us to wallow in our ignorance.

Hey, sorry you guys are taking it personally that some of us don't like the track. Not at all my intention to piss anyone off. It's just difference of taste, right? No one's saying they're better than you--you're projecting that onto the discussion.

Fwiw, I went back and watched the whole video. It's pretty hot, I must say. I can also see what you're saying about creative use of autotune etc and how the production is interesting and skillful in a certain way. I can see the potential catchiness of it.

Overall though, the whole thing seems like a prostitute's giant silicone titties to me--all pumped up and artificial, mercenary, a false promise, crass manipulation. Sure, you could say all pop music is manipulation to some extent, but at least with a good pop song you feel like you got a decent hand job out of it at the minimum, maybe more--this tune leaves me high and dry. She even wusses out at the end of the video with the old "it was only a dream" bit--pure artistic cocktease.

Her legs are fantastic, gotta say.

confooshus · 27th August 2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kittyboy

Hey, sorry you guys are taking it personally that some of us don't like the track. Not at all my intention to piss anyone off. It's just difference of taste, right? No one's saying they're better than you--you're projecting that onto the discussion.

Fwiw, I went back and watched the whole video. It's pretty hot, I must say. I can also see what you're saying about creative use of autotune etc and how the production is interesting and skillful in a certain way. I can see the potential catchiness of it.

Overall though, the whole thing seems like a prostitute's giant silicone titties to me--all pumped up and artificial, mercenary, a false promise, crass manipulation. Sure, you could say all pop music is manipulation to some extent, but at least with a good pop song you feel like you got a decent hand job out of it at the minimum, maybe more--this tune leaves me high and dry. She even wusses out at the end of the video with the old "it was only a dream" bit--pure artistic cocktease.

Her legs are fantastic, gotta say.

Haha, nice analogies... Just to be clear, I'm not saying everyone should like it... I just hate when someone mentions anything positive about a song like this, it turns into "oh the sad state of pop music" blah blah blah.... I'm just trying to reiterate that I think the song has zero substance, but the production/mixing is awesome.

up and at them · 27th August 2008, 07:56 PM

i give it about 6 months until nobody even remembers this song. sounds like every other crap pop song out there. no matter how well it was mixed. yes the guys who produced did may have done a good job, but the reality of garbage like this is that it's boring and unoriginal. I'm sure the engineers and producers will still be working and churning out stuff like this, but the next time you hear from this girl will be 10 years from now on VH1's REMEMBER THIS CRAP.

desol · 27th August 2008, 08:06 PM

It's ok. She's a talented singer...her dad was a pastor or something. Maybe this is her rebelious side coming out?

It's a power-shuffle.

It's lyrically controversial.

Alot of different elements going on...

It's ok. Kinda sick of it now. The big power synth underneath adds to the effect. The important thing for me i guess...is her singing ability. That's probably the biggest thing in the vocal chain.

No mystery there.
The rest...meh...predictable, short lived. Maybe she and luke can conjure up some other taboo themes. This is sure to excite!!?

I rather enjoy watching her dance around in a little dress though, taunting about taboo sex, and the "magical beauty of women".

audibleobsession · 27th August 2008, 08:28 PM

My first experience with I Kissed a Girl was a road trip from Ottawa to Toronto with a bunch of friends...I was sitting in the back...BIG MISTAKE!

My friend kept on dialing in all the Top 40 stations from Ottawa to Toronto and she managed to find the song at least 10 times on the way. It was ridiculous to me how much this song was being crammed down our throats!! The worst part though was she was singing it like a 12 year old girl singing to the Spice Girls all over again. Just ridiculous.

The back seat passengers were getting really ticked and begging for some rock and roll road trip music and I'll be honest, it got pretty heated and angry...by the time we got to Toronto, we were all really upset at our friend and I felt resentment towards her for the whole trip. So much so that before we left for Ottawa again, we all had a talk with her and made it very clear it would be our turn to pick the tunes.

NOW! This makes me laugh looking back at it...how this song caused so much anger among all of us back then, and look at this forum! So much confrontations! Its just a silly little pop song folks. Good mixing, I guess...but not very much too it to be honest, its a simple "bubble gum" pop song like Henry said, and that's fine! But my beef is with the pure simplicity in the sound selection...very little sound variation throughout, which makes mixing a hell of alot easier then say those old t.A.T.u tracks. Now those are GREAT pop mixes, take a look back at those. And the beauty with those to me is the LACK of autotune crap, those girls are foremost great musicians that can play instruments and sing together.

Musicianship needs a comeback, we're all a little bit sick of cookie-cutter pop stars I'm thinking.

A.o.

Lee Knight · 27th August 2008, 08:53 PM

I think it a great disposable pop tune. It's C H R U N C H Y. The pedal tone bass is way cool. The distorted voice... hell, the distorted everything is cool. She's got a ton of attitude in her performance. And the subject matter? She's 23 or something. This is fun music and about... ooh, being a chick, getting drunk and kissing another chick.

I completely understand why so many would not like it. And I totally get why so many do. Me among them. The whole albums great by the way, if you like this one. A few different producers but it hangs together nicely.

It may not fulfill your desire for constant innovation in the pop marketplace, but hey, it hits the mark. Plenty of 23 year old girls are getting titillated as we speak. It completely reminds me of the hetero girls I hung with way back when when I was that age. Taboo, kissy-kissy. Fun.

And... it's pretty freakin' crunchy.

kafka · 27th August 2008, 09:13 PM

Just seems like pretty standard sounding stuff to me. I Kissed A Girl sounds like The Killers to my ears. Same early 80's, Blondie kind of instrumentation (anyone else hear Call Me during the verse?), über-compressed, overtuned vocals, etc. There's also that stacked/flanged/Cher'd vocal on the chorus that's been going around like SARS. I don't see anything particularly special about it. There have to be a dozen songs out there that sound just like it today.

The subject matter and video are just titillation marketing, which is just a variation of surprise. I suppose your standard gov't issued teenager who is just coming into contact with these ideas might find it surprising. It's just this year's variation of Girlfriend - some girl singing about things that "nice" girls aren't supposed to think about. I can't imagine that they're seeking a wider audience than that.

It's all kind of juvenile. I was listening to Penguin in Bondage when I was that age, and I didn't turn out too warped, so I can't be judgmental. But at least with Zappa, there was music to listen to after the humor became overplayed.

Fluxpod · 27th August 2008, 09:42 PM

Track is catchy as hell (kissed a girl) But her voice sounds hard as fawk...its so distorted on the "I liked ITTTTTTT" parts.Rest isnt bad.

Daedalus77 · 27th August 2008, 09:52 PM

Allow me a fast-food analogy:

A song like "I Kissed a Girl" (or "Since U Been Gone," which seems to me its real antecedent) is a pop song equivalent of a Big Mac.

It's a tasty, ephemeral, potentially-addictive pleasure—an experience that is pleasurable precisely because it rapidly stokes and overwhelms your senses. It isn't nourishing or deeply satisfying, and it is almost certainly bad for you (even sickening) if consumed in the extreme.

Yet, such a song has "something" to makes us crave it (it's like an audio form of Mono-Sodium-Glutimate, to further the fast-food comparison)—at least for a short while.

Now is this magical audio version of MSG found in the mixing? In the writing? In the arrangement? The marketing? The clever-if-pseudo-controversial-and-bound-to-sell subject matter? The sonic signature of the track (the glitzy synths and oppressive compression)?

It's in all of these elements, combined in such proportions that make the song—like a Big Mac—a singular experience (even if an experience that is lacking in "taste" and probably pernicious to one's health and soul.)

Sometimes, guys, I just crave Big Mac. I know it's bad for me; I know it won't really "fill me up"; I know it's an artificial and (arguably) art-less food.

But in those moments when I want one, I don't care to scrutinize it. I just eat it. And it tastes really good.

Am I making sense?

Knox · 27th August 2008, 09:59 PM

I venture to say you are a fairly young guy. Which is cool. But maybe that is why it appeals to you. In no way am I saying your opinion is invalid, but I will simply say I disagree with you. Which is fine of course that we disagree. But what is the big deal about this mix or performance? Or the so called 'playing'. It's a drum loop, (sequencer?), synth bass, synths and very simple guitar chords (sounds like Am / C /Dm / F over and over), some vocals and a lot of compression and auto tune (or so it seems to me from the 30 seconds I heard at iTunes). Yea, it's a fairly fun tune . . . . . . but as far as ability, it isn't Sgt Pepper or Machine Gun, Little Wing or First Time Ever I Saw Your Face etc where it took a lot of talent. I would say Red Rain or many other things where the mix took some real talent blow it out of the water if you are talking true ability. Where the players were playing instruments, chord structures etc not loops and sequencers. But of course, I assume that is somewhat your point . . but I have a feeling you won't be hearing this much in a year . . . certainly won't stand the test of time, like most of what you hear these days. It's more computer then music ability. Not into that. It just seems like no big deal at all to me, but if you dig it, so be it!

It also sounds like a lot of stuff we used to hear in dance clubs in NYC in the 80s, w/o all the computers tricks (of course). Synths and sequencers.

btw . . I'm sure you have heard Jill Sobule's 'I Kissed a Girl' that came out years back

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Originally Posted by nickynicknick

I have to admit that I spend a bit if time in here knocking auto tune, Protools, Beat detective , loud mastering and the general cut and paste mentality of recording. Although I'll probably still continue to do so, because I think these things are being misused in epic proportions, However, I can't believe how great Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl Is". It blew my mind the first time I heard and It still does....It has all the elements (listed above) that I love to hate and it still kicks my ass. Whoever mixed that is f-ing amazing. Tons of autotune, tons of cut and paste, tons of compression/limiting etc....

...great pop song....great vocal performance....perfect instrument placement...perfect mix...perfect example of using whatever tools you have to make it rock.

Anyone know who mixed that? He/she is my hero.

Nick

travisbrown · 27th August 2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by desol

It's ok. She's a talented singer...her dad was a pastor or something. Maybe this is her rebelious side coming out?

According to Katy in a a recent tv interview, the song is not at all rebellious towards her church upbringing. It was written to make fun of Miley Cyrus kissing a girl at a sleepover when she was 15. The song is making fun of the trend of teenybop gay-for-a-day OMG! thing.

Hannah Montana Lesbian Photos: Miley Cyrus Under Fire for Pictures at The Insider

bcgood · 27th August 2008, 10:19 PM

I don't know, those intro drums somehow sound familiar...

Katy Perry Drums bcgood Kazoooooo.mp3

BobbyPeru · 27th August 2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nickynicknick

I'm just as jaded and unfazed as the next guy....believe me....but that is a great pop track...if you don't get it...maybe you're too old for rock n' roll Henry. Like I said...it's not gonna start a movement...it's just extremely well delivered, clever and brilliantly mixed... a ton of fun...just wanted to give props to the guy who mixed it...

...it's more about the creative use of modern tools which I and many others love to bash...I'm just sayin'....

Nick

There is absolutely nothing special about the song. There is no creative use of modern tools. This isn't anything Gwen Stafani hasn't done before, probably Janet Jackson before that and so on down the line.

There is a method to doing anything. Whoever mixed this just has this particular method down. People admire this, simply because they are so far removed from the method, that the production tricks tickle and trick their brain.

Maybe they've also got boners for the content - 2 girls making out ooooooo.

As a side: I think its hilarious that she used to be a Christian Rock singer and now her big single is about making out with chicks.

Bobby Peru
Milwaukee, WI

Fredrik · 27th August 2008, 10:46 PM

I find the title of the thread funny, as if it´s containing an objective proof of this songs awsomeness. Personally I think its predictable and booring.

Chucho · 27th August 2008, 10:55 PM

I just heard it.
It's rubbish.
small music for small brains.

heathen · 27th August 2008, 11:02 PM

I wanna see her kiss Madonna, oh yeah! Actually I really like her voice, hot legs too.

chk027 · 27th August 2008, 11:18 PM

It almost sounds 80's ish think bullchit pop "tainted love"

soft cell???

YouTube - Tainted Love by Soft Cell

Katy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAp9BKosZXs

I think both songs are bullchit, but that's just me.......the video really helps the song, for obvious reasons......the reason they created videos isn't it??

Not original AT ALL............just the bad past rearing its head all over again....

Mixed well, produced well, but don't care for the rest.......

butterfly · 27th August 2008, 11:19 PM

jeez guys it's a pop song....it's not Motzart, it's not Frank Zappa, it's not steely Dan, it's in the great tradition of throw away pop, the origonal post was about production values and mix quality....who gives a f**k if anyone is listening to it next month, next year or in ten years....I won't be, I don't think it's a great song but i do think it's a great sounding record.....anyone thinks they can do better...well lets hear it.

author · 27th August 2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by up and at them

i give it about 6 months until nobody even remembers this song

But they will remember the thread forever.

And the title.

henryrobinett · 27th August 2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by butterfly

jeez guys it's a pop song....it's not Motzart, it's not Frank Zappa, it's not steely Dan, it's in the great tradition of throw away pop, the origonal post was about production values and mix quality....who gives a f**k if anyone is listening to it next month, next year or in ten years....

Yup. That's about it. It's a fine throw away pop tune, in the tradition of great throw away pop tunes.

alyricalmind · 28th August 2008, 12:12 AM

The lyrics are a little... shall I say "gay"... but the song is catchy. Mix is good but certainly not the best out on radio right now.

narcoman · 28th August 2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nickynicknick

your kidding right?...are you trying to qualify my opinion?...in fact I've never seen the video...listen boys, I don't care if you don't like the song.... the dude who mixed it did a great job period. you guys can squawck about how smart you are but that ain't what this is about...If you are "above" this song, then move along because I certainly can't understand what good music is...BTW Henry I've already stated (a couple of times) why I think this tune is so good. Your snarky comments are disappointing. Usually you have quality things to say. Whatever.

Nick

... I think you're being over sensitive ... You like it. Nothing wrong with that! I'm surprised, but hey ! That's cool!!

For me - anyone saying they like stuff like this is just a little bit - "What!!???!!".... but there is nothing WRONG with you liking it! It's just a bit meh....

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27th August 2008, 06:17 PM	#32
henryrobinett Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 5,936	nicky -- sorry but I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about the general attractiveness of this tune, beyond yours. And maybe you don't see that I'm not putting the song down. I'm trying to understand what makes it work. __________________ All the best, Henry Robinett

27th August 2008, 06:30 PM	#33
confooshus Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 400	Well I'll chime in. A couple months ago, my wife asked if I had heard the song about "kissing a girl", and I said "uh... could you be more specific?" And she said "no, it's a girl singing it!" For some reason, I assumed it was an urban type of song, no idea why. Anyway a couple days later I heard it on the radio and it BLEW ME AWAY sonically. I hate the lyrics. I disagree with it morally on the literal level, as well as the exploitive level. But man, production-wise that song is incredible. I can't believe how good the vocals sound. And the track... With that chorus bass line staying on the same note while the guitars do the changes.... I'm with you Nickynicknick, that's a pop song worth studying. If you don't get it, fine. You're better than us. Leave us to wallow in our ignorance. __________________ "At your level, the Samson drum mic kit would be just fine" - air conditioner repairman

27th August 2008, 07:56 PM	#39
up and at them Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 37	i give it about 6 months until nobody even remembers this song. sounds like every other crap pop song out there. no matter how well it was mixed. yes the guys who produced did may have done a good job, but the reality of garbage like this is that it's boring and unoriginal. I'm sure the engineers and producers will still be working and churning out stuff like this, but the next time you hear from this girl will be 10 years from now on VH1's REMEMBER THIS CRAP. __________________ In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women

27th August 2008, 09:13 PM	#43
kafka Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,252	Just seems like pretty standard sounding stuff to me. I Kissed A Girl sounds like The Killers to my ears. Same early 80's, Blondie kind of instrumentation (anyone else hear Call Me during the verse?), über-compressed, overtuned vocals, etc. There's also that stacked/flanged/Cher'd vocal on the chorus that's been going around like SARS. I don't see anything particularly special about it. There have to be a dozen songs out there that sound just like it today. The subject matter and video are just titillation marketing, which is just a variation of surprise. I suppose your standard gov't issued teenager who is just coming into contact with these ideas might find it surprising. It's just this year's variation of Girlfriend - some girl singing about things that "nice" girls aren't supposed to think about. I can't imagine that they're seeking a wider audience than that. It's all kind of juvenile. I was listening to Penguin in Bondage when I was that age, and I didn't turn out too warped, so I can't be judgmental. But at least with Zappa, there was music to listen to after the humor became overplayed. __________________ It looks just like a Telefunken U47 - with leather. You'll love it ... Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny.

27th August 2008, 06:15 PM	#31
iangomes Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 294	i'm still searching for the vocal chain on kissed a girl. The vox are so sweet and smooth, especially the first verse

27th August 2008, 07:01 PM	#34
butterfly Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: uk Posts: 470	Hmm some interesting opinion since I last posted. I think anyone who is trying to analyse the merits of the song is missing the point of the origonal post. If anything this song demonstrates the crucial role of the mix engineer in making a hit record, sure the title and content are mildly titlating to "teenagers" Kate perry is cute and photogenic but i think if it had been mixed by Joe shmoo from Nebraska the chances of it being a smash would have been seriously reduced. Now your general public can't probably articulate why they like a record and indeed probably just assume that the reason they like it is because it's a good song and that's fine. I played the song to my girlfriend recently and kind of used her as a guinea pig, not really her kind of thing, but she loved it, and after a bit of pushing and teasing, getting her to think outside of her usual box, I concluded that the things that grabbed her attention were the mix/production elements, such as the sparce chorus with big club bass, the formant shifting on the vox and the cut off ending. Somebody else also said to me recently That the reason they like the song was cause Kate perry had a fantasic voice.....well maybe, but it's certainly fantastic engineering on the vocal. Incidently there's a mix by Dr Luke on youtube I think, which has no-where near the impact of Joe Zook's mix, so go figure.

27th August 2008, 08:06 PM	#40
desol Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: calgary, ab Posts: 318	It's ok. She's a talented singer...her dad was a pastor or something. Maybe this is her rebelious side coming out? It's a power-shuffle. It's lyrically controversial. Alot of different elements going on... It's ok. Kinda sick of it now. The big power synth underneath adds to the effect. The important thing for me i guess...is her singing ability. That's probably the biggest thing in the vocal chain. No mystery there. The rest...meh...predictable, short lived. Maybe she and luke can conjure up some other taboo themes. This is sure to excite!!? I rather enjoy watching her dance around in a little dress though, taunting about taboo sex, and the "magical beauty of women".

27th August 2008, 08:28 PM	#41
audibleobsession Gear Head Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 31	My first experience with I Kissed a Girl was a road trip from Ottawa to Toronto with a bunch of friends...I was sitting in the back...BIG MISTAKE! My friend kept on dialing in all the Top 40 stations from Ottawa to Toronto and she managed to find the song at least 10 times on the way. It was ridiculous to me how much this song was being crammed down our throats!! The worst part though was she was singing it like a 12 year old girl singing to the Spice Girls all over again. Just ridiculous. The back seat passengers were getting really ticked and begging for some rock and roll road trip music and I'll be honest, it got pretty heated and angry...by the time we got to Toronto, we were all really upset at our friend and I felt resentment towards her for the whole trip. So much so that before we left for Ottawa again, we all had a talk with her and made it very clear it would be our turn to pick the tunes. NOW! This makes me laugh looking back at it...how this song caused so much anger among all of us back then, and look at this forum! So much confrontations! Its just a silly little pop song folks. Good mixing, I guess...but not very much too it to be honest, its a simple "bubble gum" pop song like Henry said, and that's fine! But my beef is with the pure simplicity in the sound selection...very little sound variation throughout, which makes mixing a hell of alot easier then say those old t.A.T.u tracks. Now those are GREAT pop mixes, take a look back at those. And the beauty with those to me is the LACK of autotune crap, those girls are foremost great musicians that can play instruments and sing together. Musicianship needs a comeback, we're all a little bit sick of cookie-cutter pop stars I'm thinking. A.o.

27th August 2008, 08:53 PM	#42
Lee Knight Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Encinitas, CA Posts: 313	I think it a great disposable pop tune. It's C H R U N C H Y. The pedal tone bass is way cool. The distorted voice... hell, the distorted everything is cool. She's got a ton of attitude in her performance. And the subject matter? She's 23 or something. This is fun music and about... ooh, being a chick, getting drunk and kissing another chick. I completely understand why so many would not like it. And I totally get why so many do. Me among them. The whole albums great by the way, if you like this one. A few different producers but it hangs together nicely. It may not fulfill your desire for constant innovation in the pop marketplace, but hey, it hits the mark. Plenty of 23 year old girls are getting titillated as we speak. It completely reminds me of the hetero girls I hung with way back when when I was that age. Taboo, kissy-kissy. Fun. And... it's pretty freakin' crunchy.

27th August 2008, 09:42 PM	#44
Fluxpod Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamburg Posts: 750	Track is catchy as hell (kissed a girl) But her voice sounds hard as fawk...its so distorted on the "I liked ITTTTTTT" parts.Rest isnt bad. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/utarinordica http://www.myspace.com/datasseto Last Century Modem

27th August 2008, 09:52 PM	#45
Daedalus77 Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 555	Allow me a fast-food analogy: A song like "I Kissed a Girl" (or "Since U Been Gone," which seems to me its real antecedent) is a pop song equivalent of a Big Mac. It's a tasty, ephemeral, potentially-addictive pleasure—an experience that is pleasurable precisely because it rapidly stokes and overwhelms your senses. It isn't nourishing or deeply satisfying, and it is almost certainly bad for you (even sickening) if consumed in the extreme. Yet, such a song has "something" to makes us crave it (it's like an audio form of Mono-Sodium-Glutimate, to further the fast-food comparison)—at least for a short while. Now is this magical audio version of MSG found in the mixing? In the writing? In the arrangement? The marketing? The clever-if-pseudo-controversial-and-bound-to-sell subject matter? The sonic signature of the track (the glitzy synths and oppressive compression)? It's in all of these elements, combined in such proportions that make the song—like a Big Mac—a singular experience (even if an experience that is lacking in "taste" and probably pernicious to one's health and soul.) Sometimes, guys, I just crave Big Mac. I know it's bad for me; I know it won't really "fill me up"; I know it's an artificial and (arguably) art-less food. But in those moments when I want one, I don't care to scrutinize it. I just eat it. And it tastes really good. Am I making sense?

27th August 2008, 10:19 PM	#48
bcgood Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: West Coast Posts: 3,129	I don't know, those intro drums somehow sound familiar... Katy Perry Drums bcgood Kazoooooo.mp3 __________________ bcgood

27th August 2008, 10:46 PM	#50
Fredrik Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,709	I find the title of the thread funny, as if it´s containing an objective proof of this songs awsomeness. Personally I think its predictable and booring.

27th August 2008, 10:55 PM	#51
Chucho Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 296	I just heard it. It's rubbish. small music for small brains.

27th August 2008, 11:02 PM	#52
heathen Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,433	I wanna see her kiss Madonna, oh yeah! Actually I really like her voice, hot legs too. __________________ If you don't like it don't do it, its like banging your head into a brick wall, you always feel better once you stop. http://www.myspace.com/lizard42c http://www.myspace.com/eggshellrecords http://www.underworldmusicproductions.com http://www.myspace.com/poetlaureatte http://www.myspace.com/thanorthernlightscrew http://www.myspace.com/originaldrzeus

27th August 2008, 11:18 PM	#53
chk027 Gear maniac Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 229	It almost sounds 80's ish think bullchit pop "tainted love" soft cell??? YouTube - Tainted Love by Soft Cell Katy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAp9BKosZXs I think both songs are bullchit, but that's just me.......the video really helps the song, for obvious reasons......the reason they created videos isn't it?? Not original AT ALL............just the bad past rearing its head all over again.... Mixed well, produced well, but don't care for the rest.......

27th August 2008, 11:19 PM	#54
butterfly Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: uk Posts: 470	jeez guys it's a pop song....it's not Motzart, it's not Frank Zappa, it's not steely Dan, it's in the great tradition of throw away pop, the origonal post was about production values and mix quality....who gives a f**k if anyone is listening to it next month, next year or in ten years....I won't be, I don't think it's a great song but i do think it's a great sounding record.....anyone thinks they can do better...well lets hear it.

28th August 2008, 12:12 AM	#57
alyricalmind Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 294	The lyrics are a little... shall I say "gay"... but the song is catchy. Mix is good but certainly not the best out on radio right now.