live stereo guit/vox... off center image

26th March 2005

i recorded some songs with someone with live stereo guitar mics as well as a vocal mic. the tracks all sound nice, but the right guitar mic was picking up more vocals than the left. when the guitars are panned out, it shifts the vocal image unnaturally to the right.

panning the right guitar mic a little more center helps some, but too much and then the guitar image gets funny. panning the vocal left helps some, but too much and it gets funny also. so far ive just settled on a compromise of those two things, but there is still some wirdness... i want to retain the stereo spread that ive got on the guitar, so i dont want to pan them both too far towards the center. anyone have any good tricks for this sort of thing?

max cooper · 27th March 2005

maybe time for an overdub...

27th March 2005

well, the tracking stage is definitely done... ive just been playing around with guitar spacing and vocal placement. ive gotten it all to work well enough...

Andreas G · 27th March 2005

...to show you the right way without hearing your tracks isnt't easy...but you might try this: copy your vox track...switch the phase reverse bottom, pan it to the right side and mix it to taste with the right guitarchannel...or: decode your guitar stereosignal to M/S...if the vox is strongest in the midsignal, crank up the side signals and pan the midsignal slightly to left...or mix the sidesignal with the reversed phase vox channel...so in generally: try to separate your disturbing signal as good as posible and cancel it with the phase reversed main vox ..............andreas

26th March 2005	#1
chikkenguy Guest Posts: n/a	live stereo guit/vox... off center image i recorded some songs with someone with live stereo guitar mics as well as a vocal mic. the tracks all sound nice, but the right guitar mic was picking up more vocals than the left. when the guitars are panned out, it shifts the vocal image unnaturally to the right. panning the right guitar mic a little more center helps some, but too much and then the guitar image gets funny. panning the vocal left helps some, but too much and it gets funny also. so far ive just settled on a compromise of those two things, but there is still some wirdness... i want to retain the stereo spread that ive got on the guitar, so i dont want to pan them both too far towards the center. anyone have any good tricks for this sort of thing?

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27th March 2005	#2
max cooper Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2004 Location: tx Posts: 8,802	maybe time for an overdub...

27th March 2005	#4
Andreas G Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 1,096	...to show you the right way without hearing your tracks isnt't easy...but you might try this: copy your vox track...switch the phase reverse bottom, pan it to the right side and mix it to taste with the right guitarchannel...or: decode your guitar stereosignal to M/S...if the vox is strongest in the midsignal, crank up the side signals and pan the midsignal slightly to left...or mix the sidesignal with the reversed phase vox channel...so in generally: try to separate your disturbing signal as good as posible and cancel it with the phase reversed main vox ..............andreas