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what's everyone's typical send effects setup?

I know this was posted before, but I can't seem to find it. Are a lot of people using a typical setup for a session?

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I keep it rather simple, though it's software based.

1-RenVerb
1-PSP 42 Lexicon Delay
1-PSP 84 Lexicon Delay

The two delays would have different resolution and feddback values, depending on song and need for variety.
I'd like to run Altiverb eventually, when a G5 enters the setup.
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I almost never use the same sends configuration twice. I usually end up using a plate reverb and a bunch of delays every time though.

A lot of times I end up using these:
1.) UA EMT 140 plate
2.) Lexicon PSP42
3.) ECHO3 (creamware)
4.) binson echoreq copy (creamware)
5.) Relab CD-100 chorus/delay (creamware)
6.) Voxengo AFDelay
7.) Voxengo AFChorus
8.) Any stereo detuner
9.) Some kind of ambience reverb, usually Lexicon or some IRs.
10.) A granular delay processor
11.) Sometimes I use a send to a compressor+EQ for multing purposes.

I guess I use a lot of effect sends.
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1) - TC M3000 engine 1
2) - TC M3000 engine 2
3) - Eventide DSP 4000 - flat sharp 'dual h907' ????
4) - AMS RMX 16 reverb

Thats the main palet

So that is - 3 reverbs & a Harmonizer

I also add - Waves Supertap delays / Echo Farm delays / LexiVerb as I see fit

I also record different programs from the Eventide unit to my DAW to get more 'flavors' (usually 'spooky" / erie reverbs)

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send 1&2: stereo kurzweil reverb or some reverb/delay/spec.FX type of reverb.
This one is mostly to add movement and space to the leadvocal
send 3: M3000 L - mostly some small room drum programm to glue the drums a bit together if necessary
send 4: M3000 R - ambience/room programm with early reflections tailored to create ambience (also for leadvocal a.o.)
send 5: mono reverb only for snare
send 6: mono delay, mostly quarter note, to get depth for the lead vocal
send 7: Eventide H3000 pitchshift program - to make things wider
send 8: could be some aditional guitar delay

That's most of the times my set-up.

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What's a typical setting for a harmonizer/detune patch. Are you detuning one side up a couple cents, and the other side down a couple cents? Is there delay involved? What instruments does a detuning setting like this sound good with?

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Sends 1-3: KSP8
Send 4: Klark Teknik DN-780
Send 5: TC M3000
Send 6: Lexicon PCM-91
Send 7: PCM-81
Send 8: Ensoniq DP/4

The great thing about the KSP8 are the chains. So those first three sends to the Kurzweil can do a lot of different processing if needed.
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What's a typical setting for a harmonizer/detune patch. Are you detuning one side up a couple cents, and the other side down a couple cents? Is there delay involved? What instruments does a detuning setting like this sound good with?

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left: -3..5cent, 10ms delay
right: +3..5cebt, 15ms delay

Now be sure the unit your using says Eventide and your set .

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Whatever effect I think the songs needs is plugged into the first send, followed by the next thing I think it needs...I rarely set up my sends before I start mixing.
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1 - Altiverb - PCM60 or 70
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Whatever effect I think the songs needs is plugged into the first send, followed by the next thing I think it needs...I rarely set up my sends before I start mixing.
You don't normal your console's sends to any FX inputs?
My 4 sends are normalled to an LXP-1, LXP-5, M300, and #4 is nomalled to the headphone amp. The default patches are usually a quick modulated delay, a longer delay with feedback, and a Random Hall. It gets changed up, but it's just as easy for me to leave them at a familiar starting point as to leave them unpatched.
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You don't normal your console's sends to any FX inputs?
My 4 sends are normalled to an LXP-1, LXP-5, M300, and #4 is nomalled to the headphone amp. The default patches are usually a quick modulated delay, a longer delay with feedback, and a Random Hall. It gets changed up, but it's just as easy for me to leave them at a familiar starting point as to leave them unpatched.
I find the sound quality is much better if you return the effects into a channel of the console. There you have access to eq, insertion of comps, fader control, etc. The fx returns on my Soundcraft Ghost are pretty bad. I hate to give up channels, but in a pinch I can use the Mix B and split the eq between the channel & the fx return (to Mix B). I would only use the fx returns if I had a really complicated mix going and had no other way to get them back into the board. I've got four mono sends and one stereo pair, plus a stereo pair available to the Mix B signal. I've rarely needed all that. I like to run fx in stereo if possible. You can pan them some and make the sound field wider.
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My basic setup is always:

Send 1,2 - TC M-5000 setup for a plate
Send 3,4 - Sony V-77 long stereo hall
Send 5,6 - DSP-4000 doing the dual shift, left-right thing Jules mentioned but I've also added a bit of delay to each as well for more spread.
Send 9 - short delay (usually an 1/8 or 1/16 depending on tempo)
send 10 - med delay (1/8 or 1/4 depending on tempo)
send 11 - long delay (1/4 or more depending on tempo)

I've also got an Ensoniq DP4 on the way so that will get integrated, and we're trying to ge the chambers in our building happenning again so they will definitely be normalled somewhere.
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[QUOTE=Jules]3) - Eventide DSP 4000 - flat sharp 'dual h907' ????
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Do you mean dual H910?
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Whatever effect I think the songs needs is plugged into the first send, followed by the next thing I think it needs...I rarely set up my sends before I start mixing.
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You don't normal your console's sends to any FX inputs?
My 4 sends are normalled to an LXP-1, LXP-5, M300, and #4 is nomalled to the headphone amp. The default patches are usually a quick modulated delay, a longer delay with feedback, and a Random Hall. It gets changed up, but it's just as easy for me to leave them at a familiar starting point as to leave them unpatched.
I have one stereo and four mono sends. The stereo is normaled out to the headphone amp, but the others are not. If I plug it into something else it still goes to the phones. Most of my FX units are stereo, but I don't always run them that way. The M3000 can be run many ways. Tonight I set it for dual mono and used one side to delay the room mic ala Steve Albini. I didn't use the other side. The only other effect was an Eventide with the "guitar room" setting. I ran it mono in and stereo out. Almost every element in the mix went to it a bit to make it sound like a band in a room.
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You don't normal your console's sends to any FX inputs?
me to leave them at a familiar starting point as to leave them unpatched.

No normal's here either.

Too many EFX to choose from.

Just go to with what ever feels right in the moment these days.
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Most frequently used Global FX:
send # 1 = tape slap (or spin)
send # 2 = BX20E (if needed)
send # 3 + 4 MoTone (my own thing)
sends 5+6 = Cooper time cube
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It all changes, but here's a standard for a more complex rock mix.

longer Hall or plate
shorter Room or Plate
delay short usually 40-120ms
delay longer 120-500ms
delay really long (cheesy call/response thing) 500-1200ms
Harmonizer -7 +7 12 & 24ms
Some kind of wacky tape style flange

Sometimes I have a hall and a mono delay and that's all I need.
Really depends on what I'm working on.
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I know this was posted before, but I can't seem to find it. Are a lot of people using a typical setup for a session?
Usually use Reverb One on Bus one but use two instances- one short, one longer.
Sounds really good.
I might do this on two separate busses and then add a few delays lines per track.

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lately--

all in the box Cubase sx

send 1 (stereo) Voxengo Pristine Space with a sony, KSP8, or TC 6000 impulse (main room)

send 2 (stereo) TC Classicverb set on a plate

send 3 (stereo) UAD Fairchild set to stun (parallel to tighten up Drum and Bass)

send 4 (stereo) TC Character (to add character, of course

send 5 (stereo) PSP Lex 42

send 6 (stereo) PSP Lex 84

send 7 (stereo) Voxengo AF Chorus (great on Bass)

send 8 (stereo) Voxengo AF Tapebus (more parrallel glue)

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so how r people returning them? via aux inputs in thier DAW's or into a summing solution and or analogue mixer.

Personally the analogue way adds another dimension to the DAW based verbs that are getting closer and closer to the real thing with every passing year. cant wait till they are 1:1

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Mostly ITB here for now, but i'm always running out to my Sidstation's filter, a PSA-1 and an MPX-1 for most of my non-ITB needs.

I normally set up a LA-2A bus or two in PT, and a Moogfooger MF101.
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