Guns N' Roses : The Most Expensive Album Never Made

[drundall]

Originally Posted by Duardo

It did, although if you look at the "Welcome to the Jungle" video Axl had the hair as well.

I remember hearing the song in the Clint Eastwood movie, but if I recall correctly it didn't really take off until later when "Sweet Child of Mind" got into heavy rotation.

-Duardo

They were playing the hell out of the "jungle" video. SCOM was a huge second single though.

Remember second singles?

Remember artist development???

[Duardo]

I do remember seeing the "Jungle" video quite a bit before "Child" hit, but then didn't they bring it back into even heavier rotation afterwards?

-Duardo

[Kestral]

Originally Posted by Jay Doucet

Remember when Axl and Vince Neil got into a fight, and were suppose to continue it and have a fight and it was supposedly going to be televised on national tv and staged at Madison Square Gardens? Never happened, but I would have bought a ticket for that. Can you imagine all of the cool musicians who would have showed up to see the fight. who would have won?

Jay

As much as I was a fan of Axl, let's face it, Vince Neil would have kicked Axl's scrawny white ass.

[bobmaus]

I got a real chuckle out of this thread, it's amazing what a few years can do to someone.

I have lived about 1/2mile from Axl for the last ten years, and while I have never met him, I often see him jogging along the canyon and being that Malibu is a very small town (12K population) it isn't unusual to bump into these folks at the grocery/dog groomer on a regular basis.

My wife who is active in the local schools here has met Axl at PTA events and the like and says he's a sweet, very nice family guy who takes pride in his community existence, yada, yada, yada.

Maybe a little aging has softened the edge we all associate with GNR era.

BTW, I was never a fan and never will be a GNR fan.

Surfs Up,

Bob

[hociman]

Originally Posted by Kestral

As much as I was a fan of Axl, let's face it, Vince Neil would have kicked Axl's scrawny white ass.

Does anyone remember the musings of Beavis & Butthead on Axl's physical prowess?

Butthead: "I wonder how Axl Rose would feel if he got his ass kicked by a couple
of 14 year olds."
Beavis: "Yeah, that would really suck. Getting your asses kicked by Kris Kross. Heh
Heh, henh hmm, , ."
--
BUTTHEAD: "Axl versus a blade of grass."
BEAVIS: "Well, I dunno. I mean, if Axl was real quiet and snuck up on the blade of grass..."
BUTTHEAD: "It'd still kick his ass."

[84K]

Originally Posted by bobmaus

I have lived about 1/2mile from Axl for the last ten years, and while I have never met him, I often see him jogging along the canyon and being that Malibu is a very small town (12K population)Surfs Up,Bob

Hey Bob,

I envy you. It is cold in the east right now. I plan to move to Malibu one day. For the weather and scenery... but not for the Axel Rose jogging part of the scenery.

[Jay Kahrs]

Originally Posted by krid

He accompanied Buckethead on a jaunt to Disneyland when the guitarist was drifting toward quitting, several people involved recalled; then Buckethead announced he would be more comfortable working inside a chicken coop, so one was built for him in the studio, from wood planks and chicken wire.

Why?

Just because he could!!!

It’s absolutely brilliant really.

The whole saga reads like Spinal Tap & the Mixerman book rolled into one. I’m also a little surprised that with thousands of hours of material accumulated, nothings been leaked. Or, maybe bits & pieces have been leaked and nobody cares.

Or, maybe bits & pieces have been leaked and nobody cares. At the very least I'd want to listen out of curiosity and hope it doesn’t kill this cat!

[chuckj]

I purchased my Otari MTR90II from Rumbo in '98. The engineer, whose name escapes me right now, stated that the machine was used for recording the first GnR project.
The metal bands that come into the studio love that little tidbit of info when I tell them that.
What was truly amazing was the tour I received of the GnR preproduction setup in the studio. The main room was stuffed with cool gear; guitars, amps, drums of all varieties. They had a full PA system setup with an FOH console and separate monitor mixer (in an iso booth) in the main room. They had a separate FOH and monitor mixer during their preproduction rehearsals! I just could not fathom it. All this was just for them to be working out ideas....whenever they felt like it. My guess is that my life savings that I scrimped and miserly hoarded together for years to buy this machine is basically what they (uh, the label) paid for the day of studio time, rentals, etc. that they did not even use that day.

So Axl, if you're reading this and you want to come to my place to get back a little of that mojo from the early days on the MTR90 that started it all for you, I'm here. I may not be able to supply a full PA with console, speaker stacks, subwoofers and a separate monitor mixer and console. But I do have a Hafler P1200 and a pair of Tannoy PBM 6.5's for my studio playback and I could press my Mackie 1202 into service for monitoring. I'll even let you use the 7506 headphones that still have both earpieces intact that I hold in reserve for special clients.
However, I will have to request payment up front....cash please!

[bobmaus]

Originally Posted by 84K

Hey Bob,

I envy you. It is cold in the east right now. I plan to move to Malibu one day. For the weather and scenery... but not for the Axel Rose jogging part of the scenery.

I used to live in the east, one trip here in '84 and I made the move, never regretted it one bit.

[Jim Williams]

Originally Posted by bobmaus

I used to live in the east, one trip here in '84 and I made the move, never regretted it one bit.

Bob's got a real nice place in Malibu, he got in when prices were "reasonable". His place is worth too much to ever sell. Besides, where to go?

After Baywatch, everyone wants to move here!

Me and Bob have nice places at the beach, remember, if you come, bring your gold card, 'cause you're gonna need it!

Jim Williams
Audio Upgrades

[AjD]

Back to the Velvet Revolver thing... has anyone else noticed how blatant a marketing riff their name is? Just get a dictionary:

Revolver - One of the various types of GUNS.

Velvet - Soft & smooth, like the flower petals on ROSES.

Get it? GUN? ROSES? Corporate marketing dweebs burn up hundreds of thousands of dollars thinking stuff like this up. It's almost as if the record company said, "Hey, if we can't get G & R back, we'll make as close a copy as we can. Boys, get to work!"

Adam
drawingroom

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by BrianK

It astonishes me that NO ONE has leaked rough mixes (zillions by now) or anything from the umpteen sessions they have done.

I know everyone signed Non-disclosure agreements, but this is America 2005. SOMEBODY has to do it - that is the best way to keep people from pansying away their time in studios - LEAK their music!

there were some leaks a year or so ago.
really, really bad "pocket recorder" quality stuff.
like a 50/50 signal to noise ratio.

best
Sean

[djs]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

Knockin' on Heaven's Door-orr-oorr.

Gotta tell you, whenever I heard that version, if I couldn't get to the remote in time, in made me want to barf!

i hear ya. i miss the way they used to do it- back in the afd days. it kicked some major ass! illusion version- not so much. (cool solos though) and what was up with the telephone thing? the song wasn't so bad 'till they put that crap in.

i do recal hearing some tracks that were leaked a year or two ago...and trust me, you don't want to hear what i did. i guess they could have been fakes, but i don't know. scary stuff.

[Captain Jack]

Originally Posted by AjD

Get it? GUN? ROSES?

Duh, really? And all this time I thought it was a coincidence!

I always assumed they did it as a dis, with a nod and a wink to tweak Axl a bit and to trade on Slash's history, as he owns some of the GnR songs so they can play them live without having to get permission.

[Duardo]

I always assumed they did it as a dis, with a nod and a wink to tweak Axl a bit and to trade on Slash's history, as he owns some of the GnR songs so they can play them live without having to get permission.

Anyone can play any published song live without permission.

-Duardo

[tedcrop]

Here is the latest

http://www.gnronline.com/

This is pathetic

[David Lee]

"NO NEWS FOUND"

...no news is good news

[Gregg Sartiano]

Well, if you join the mailing list, you can receive updates on your cell phone.

[84K]

Originally Posted by AjD

Back to the Velvet Revolver thing... has anyone else noticed how blatant a marketing riff their name is? Just get a dictionary:

Revolver - One of the various types of GUNS.

Velvet - Soft & smooth, like the flower petals on ROSES.

Get it? GUN? ROSES? Corporate marketing dweebs burn up hundreds of thousands of dollars thinking stuff like this up. It's almost as if the record company said, "Hey, if we can't get G & R back, we'll make as close a copy as we can. Boys, get to work!"

Adam
drawingroom

Interesting... Actually I took it as:

"Velvet" a pun on STP's hit that made them, "Plush" since plush is an adjective usually used to describe fabric like velvet.

"Revolver" is the obvious part.

I love that album. More then the last GNR and STP album. (Spaghetti Incident and Shang-ri-la-de-da) AW's mixes are awesome. Tight, in-your-face punch with the focal frequency being the lower midrange. The brightest thing in the single, "Slither" is Weiland's lead vocal. There is a top end on his voice that is brighter then the cymbals. The lower midrange focus is awesome. The album is clear and fat in one place. The Hi-Hat and Lead Vocal are the brightest part of the songs. Well done. Looking forward to the follow up.

[Absolute]

I eeeee I

Live and let die ee ii

(puff on crackpipe)

sweet child of my ee ii

[No4PCs]

Originally Posted by heinz

Man I woulda thought this would've been the catalyst that got the album done. I'm now adding planks & chicken wire to my "studio essentials" list.

I did read in web which Axl Rose want make an album better than The dark side of the moon.
What ego ! tutt

[logicll]

well.
AXL has always been a ******....Fu*K ROCK STARS dfegad

[RainbowStorm]

A very interesting article! I think this is what actually happened. At first they had really great success and earned more than they could handle. At the end of the tours they wanted a period for relaxing, taking drugs, partying etc. As the time went by unexpected things happened and things got more complicated. I bet Axl was still not in a really pleasant situation in life and personally needed to sort things out before continuing with his career. During this maturity accumulation period the record label started pushing Axl to start deliver again, something he felt he was forced to do. On that moment in time Axl was not in a very good mood and without the right amount of inspiration, resulting in a situation when he wanted to make things right before doing anything. That's when the loop of inefficieny started. He looked for new inspiration, found it in the talent of other musicians, but personally he was struggling with his own talent and situation, he simply didn't know himself good enough due to all the events taking place at the time. As time went by he more or less felt he was pushed to do something, so he did. He ended up in a difficult decision making trap: "There are only these alternatives, I have to choose one." During all this inefficiency, the record label got trouble too, because of their bad decision making. That made everything even harder for Axl, that was struggling more and more. I bet Axl in some point was so pushed from all sides, that he sooner or later needed more rest to even be able to further handle the situation. That's when the record label finally ended the project with Axl, it was all becoming too expensive. So all of a sudden Axl stands there finiding himself totally trapped after a series of bad decisions and inbalance.

[Knobturner]

Now we know where "Mixerman" got the bulk of his very funny, but utter bullshit book content from. I guess he must have actually known someone involved.
Ya think?

[petsematary]

Yeah well there are tons of bands with names with that type of contrast. Led Zeppelin for example. Led=metal. Zeppelin=light, flying. And Iron Butterfly. Even Iron Maiden although that name was actually taken from the old torture machine. Even Alice in Chains has a little of that contrast thing going on. Basic.

Originally Posted by AjD

Back to the Velvet Revolver thing... has anyone else noticed how blatant a marketing riff their name is? Just get a dictionary:

Revolver - One of the various types of GUNS.

Velvet - Soft & smooth, like the flower petals on ROSES.

Get it? GUN? ROSES? Corporate marketing dweebs burn up hundreds of thousands of dollars thinking stuff like this up. It's almost as if the record company said, "Hey, if we can't get G & R back, we'll make as close a copy as we can. Boys, get to work!"

Adam
drawingroom

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by petsematary

Yeah well there are tons of bands with names with that type of contrast. Led Zeppelin for example. Led=metal. Zeppelin=light, flying. And Iron Butterfly. Even Iron Maiden although that name was actually taken from the old torture machine. Even Alice in Chains has a little of that contrast thing going on. Basic.

I think John Entwhistle said, upon hearing of Jimi Page's new lineup, "That'll go over like a Lead Balloon..." or something.

I thought the name Velvet Revolver was an attempt to cash in on the underground hipness of the Velvet Underground and the timelessness of the Beatles' Revolver album.

Doing something like naming your band 'Velvet (anything)' should be considered off limits, not because it's offensive, but because it reeks of 'we can't think of anything' lameness.

Hey, Weiland, how much is a gallon of milk these days?

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by No4PCs

I did read in web which Axl Rose want make an album better than The dark side of the moon.
What ego ! tutt

Maybe he actually meant the dark side of the moon, as in Earth's satellite.

I remember watching the 'Jungle' video early in it's life. I was with a friend. We mostly listened to stuff like Stooges and 'Superfuzzbigmuff' and 'Nuggets' at the time.

We both got the feeling that the end was near for bands like Warrant and Tesla. Soon Faith No More and Jane's Addiction would arrive. In 1990 in Los Angeles, I heard 'Nothing's Shocking' blasting out of more cars and shops than everything else combined.

You could hardly walk by Tommy Tang's on Melrose because of all the kids waiting outside for Slash.

We went to a G&R show (comp, of course) and were totally floored by Soundgarden.

I think around '92 I saw Steven Adler's ad in the Recycler. He was giving drum lessons.

[No4PCs]

Originally Posted by max cooper

Maybe he actually meant the dark side of the moon, as in Earth's sattelite.


I remember watching the 'Jungle' video early in it's life. I was with a friend. We mostly listened to stuff like Stooges and 'Superfuzzbigmuff' and 'Nuggets' at the time.

We both got the feeling that the end was near for bands like Warrant and Tesla. Soon Faith No More and Jane's Addiction would arrive. In 1990 in Los Angeles, I heard 'Nothing's Shocking' blasting out of more cars and shops than everything else combined.

You could hardly walk by Tommy Tang's on Melrose because of all the kids waiting outside for Slash.

We went to a G&R show (comp, of course) and were totally floored by Soundgarden.

I think around '92 I saw Steven Adler's ad in the Recycler. He was giving drum lessons.

In 90sm GnR did play here in Brazil, Maracana Stadium for 100.000 crowd.
Guns was in Cocacabana Palace Hotel, one of the most luxurious of world, and
Axl down with TV monitors through windows. Ppl with fear ...hahaha funny and sad too.
l

[FFTT]

I was never that impressed with G & R's

A few good biker rock tunes and that's about it.

Soundgarden kicks their ass for real talent and imagination.

[petsematary]

I think it was Keith Moon actually who said that about "The New Yardbirds" as they called themselves back then. My dad actually saw them in '68, before the name change.

Originally Posted by max cooper

I think John Entwhistle said, upon hearing of Jimi Page's new lineup, "That'll go over like a Lead Balloon..." or something.

I thought the name Velvet Revolver was an attempt to cash in on the underground hipness of the Velvet Underground and the timelessness of the Beatles' Revolver album.

Doing something like naming your band 'Velvet (anything)' should be considered off limits, not because it's offensive, but because it reeks of 'we can't think of anything' lameness.

Hey, Weiland, how much is a gallon of milk these days?