Drum Sounds

Hiwatt · 14th February 2005

Say you had a standard drum kit... kick, snare, three toms, ride, crash, and hi hats... if you could only use 8 mic pres and 8 mics, what would they be?

I've been diggin my tg preamps on drums lately...

1. Kick --> Audix D6 --> TG-2
2. Snare top --> SM57 --> TG-2
3. Snare bottom --> SM57 --> TG-2
4. Rack tom 1 --> SM57 --> Art MPA
5. Rack tom 2 --> SM57 --> Art MPA
6. Floor tom --> Seinnheiser 421 --> TG2
7. Over head L --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV
8. Over head R --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV

feel feel to post what eq's and commpressors you like to use as well...

PaRaNoId · 14th February 2005

depends on exact style and drummer, butt....

1. Kick -->Senn e602--> API 3124
2. Snare top --> beta57 OR sm-57--> Manley SLAM
3. Snare bottom --> e609 --> MP-2NV
4. Rack tom 1 --> Senn e604 --> MP-2NV
5. Rack tom 2 --> Senn e604 --> API 3124
6. Floor tom --> Sennheiser 421 --> Manley SLAM
7. OH L --> Rode K2 OR AT 4047--> SSL 4000G
8. OH R --> Rode K2 OR AT 4047--> SSL 4000G

...If it was heavier music i would also (slightly) clip all the API pres, use the FET limiter on the SLAM channels, and hit the Great Rivers pretty hard. Loving parallel coompression on the OH these days...almost any decent compressor works....

ray dsr · 14th February 2005

Here's my current drum miking set-up:

Top snare>sm57-OSA-MP1A
Bot snare>sm84-OSA-MP1A
Middle Overhead>Soundeluxe U195>BAE 312A
Far Right Overhead>AKG 414-BULS>BAE 312A
Kick>ATM25>OSA-MP1L3
Mono Room>Soundelux E47>OSA-MP1L3

all tracks to RADAR.

with the Soundelux U195 in "fat" mode i get enough toms to not have to close them.

Lord Fear · 14th February 2005

Here's mine:
1) Kick - e609-1073
2) Snare Top - SM57-1073
3) Snare Bottom - AKG 451-Focusrite Red 4
4) Rack Tom - 421 - Focusrite Red 4
5) Floor Tom - 421 - Focusrite Red 4
6) Hat - KM 84 - Focusrite Red 4
7) Oh Side - U87 - V72
8) Oh Top - U87 - V72

Than if I have room to do so:
9) Ride - KM 84
10) Room L - AT 4050
11) Room R - AT 4050
12) Mono Room - Royer 121

DirkB · 14th February 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by Hiwatt
Say you had a standard drum kit... kick, snare, three toms, ride, crash, and hi hats... if you could only use 8 mic pres and 8 mics, what would they be?

I've been diggin my tg preamps on drums lately...

1. Kick --> Audix D6 --> TG-2
2. Snare top --> SM57 --> TG-2
3. Snare bottom --> SM57 --> TG-2
4. Rack tom 1 --> SM57 --> Art MPA
5. Rack tom 2 --> SM57 --> Art MPA
6. Floor tom --> Seinnheiser 421 --> TG2
7. Over head L --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV
8. Over head R --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV

feel feel to post what eq's and commpressors you like to use as well...

I would lose the snare bottom in favour for a room mic of front of kick / subkick mic.

Good luck,
Dirk

wwittman · 14th February 2005

BD- SM-7 or RE20
Snare - KM-84
Over the high toms - Gefell UM70 or U-87
At side of Low toms - Gefell UM70 or U-87
In front of Kit looking in at at from 6-15 feet away - 2 STC/Coles 4038s

I would use all the same discrete mic pres.. either API, Daking or Neve.

That's 6 mics.
If something is missing or needs help i'd use one of the other two channles for that.
If not, not.

PapillonIrl · 14th February 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by wwittman
BD- SM-7 or RE20
Snare - KM-84
Over the high toms - Gefell UM70 or U-87
At side of Low toms - Gefell UM70 or U-87
In front of Kit looking in at at from 6-15 feet away - 2 STC/Coles 4038s

I would use all the same discrete mic pres.. either API, Daking or Neve.

That's 6 mics.
If something is missing or needs help i'd use one of the other two channles for that.
If not, not.

Interesting... Do you spend alot of time positioning the 2 front-of-kit mics every time, or do you have a general starting position ?

I assume these two mics play a major part in the sound ?

Cheers,

Nathan

studjo · 14th February 2005

Always changing but my actual session uses:

Kick in: AT Pro9 - Pendulum Quartet
Kick out: Royer 121 - Desk
Snare top: SM57 - Daking
Snare bottom: Sm 57 - Desk
Overheads: Beyer M160 - Buzz MA2.2
Toms: 421 - Desk
Floor Tom: Re20 - Desk
Room (M/S): U87/AT4050 - Desk
Hat: KM 184 - Desk

Drummer insisted on the Snare bottom mic - and I like it after a very long time hating every snare bottom mic

I think I won't use much of the kick out mic on this project - but you never know

I love the Buzz on the overheads - really SCHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

so for this Session for this drummer ....

Jo

kudzu · 14th February 2005

Recent Rock/Blues/pop band.

Pearl Export Kit

Sennheiser 602 Kick (don't need 5K with this mic)
U87 Snare (Ludwig Black Beauty, What a great sounding drum)
Sennheiser 604's on the toms
84i's on the hats and OHS
All into API's
Sounded great...mind u, the room was great also...the kit was reskinned and tuned by a real pro...every session I do I bring in a guy 2 "tune the kit"...makes it a lot easier

Buddhaman · 14th February 2005

quote:
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Originally posted by Hiwatt
Say you had a standard drum kit... kick, snare, three toms, ride, crash, and hi hats... if you could only use 8 mic pres and 8 mics, what would they be?

I've been diggin my tg preamps on drums lately...

1. Kick --> Audix D6 --> TG-2
2. Snare top --> SM57 --> TG-2
3. Snare bottom --> SM57 --> TG-2
4. Rack tom 1 --> SM57 --> Art MPA
5. Rack tom 2 --> SM57 --> Art MPA
6. Floor tom --> Seinnheiser 421 --> TG2
7. Over head L --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV
8. Over head R --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV

feel feel to post what eq's and commpressors you like to use as well...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RECENT Punk POP session

1/ KICK --Beta 52--Yamaha PM1000 pre/eq

2/ Snare Top Ocktava 219-- API 312

3/ Snare Bottom Ocktava 219--API 312

4/ Tom 1 SM58--Yamamy PM1000

5/ Tom2 SM58B --Yammy PM1000

6/ Tom 3 MXL Fox -- Yammy PM1000

7/ Mismatched Left Ohead AEA R84 --TG2

8/ Mismatched right Ohead U195 -- TG2

straight into an AD16x with the soft limit on

The Yammy's are great drum eq's and preamps (IRON)

Buddhaman

Drumsound · 14th February 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by DirkB
I would lose the snare bottom in favour for a room mic of front of kick / subkick mic.

Good luck,
Dirk

Me Too. Room mic please.

doorknocker · 15th February 2005

Kick --> D-112 or 421 --> UA 2108 --> dbx 160VU
Snare --> Beyer M201 --> UA 2108 --> dbx 160VU (sometimes)
OHs --> KM 184s in 'Recorderman' --> TG-2
FOK /Room --> C-414 B-ULS --> 6176 in 8:1 or 'British'
Toms --> Telefunken 421s --> ART MPAs

I recently got a pair of Beyer M160s, I actually prefer the KM 184s for OHs in my room. Have only tried them in 'Recorderman' so far, there were actually NOT ENOUGH cymbals captured if you can believe such a thing. I'll try it in another setting for sure....the M160s are great for guitar cabs and percussion though!

Andi

www.doorknocker.ch

wwittman · 15th February 2005

I start with the 4038's about 6 feet in front and slightly wider than the kit, looking in at the snare from about 5' high.
but i adjust based on the room and the desired result.

In the set-up I described, I can use the 2 87's/um70's as the 'main part' of the sound and position the 4038s as rooms/cymbals... or I can use the 4038's as the main sound and use the closer 87's as tom mics or not at all if not needed.

dale116dot7 · 15th February 2005

My room sucks.

1. Kick - 421, D112, or Altec M11 'Coke Bottle' -> DIY-1073 -> heavily modified 3630 (new guts similar to the newer dbx 160)
2. Snare - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-LT1115 preamp (Sowter iron)-> EL8
** alternate mics I like here inclulde:
C60 + CK61
Altec M11
Beta 57
SM57
I mix and match on snare till I get a sound I like.
3 .OHL - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-SSM preamp
4. OHR - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-SSM preamp
** Alternate mics I like here are the AT4033, or the MC012's if I don't need them for toms.
5. Tom 1 - MC012 -> DIY-1073
6. Tom 2 - MC012 -> DIY-1073
** If I've used the MC012's up by now, then I'll use some modified AT Pro37R's here.
7. Tom 3 - SM57 -> DIY-RCA-BA31
** If I have the 421 because I didn't use it on kick, I'll use it here.
One of:
8a. Hat - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-SSM preamp
8b. Room - Altec M11, AT4050, AT4033, or whatever seems right and whatever's left over.
8c. Snare bottom - TLM103 or something else.... see above.

Overheads I roll off during mixdown, and same with the snare. The C451B is really too bright for both of these locations but it's a clean bright. I find I would rather roll off something during the mix then try to add it with EQ later if it turns out something's too dark.

Drumsound · 15th February 2005

Dale116dot7,

Modified Pro37R? Do tell...

brownmouse · 15th February 2005

kik in..... audix d-6> great river mp-2nv
kik out.... yamaha subkick> great river mp-2nv
snare.... shure sm-57> great river mp-2nv
T1.... sennheiser 421> fmr RNP
T2... josephson e22s> fmr RNP (2 toms are enough for me :-)
OH-L> josephson c42 (or gefell m-930)> pendulum mdp-1a
OH-R> (same as Oh-L)
FOK (or room).... AEA R-84> great river mp-2nv

joshua

dale116dot7 · 15th February 2005

I pull out the circuitry in there (and the crappy transformer), replacing it with a single-transistor amplifier (I think it's a BC560C transistor that I put in there). It's on my list of things to put in a PDF file and post. It cleans up the low frequencies quite a bit.

ray dsr · 16th February 2005

brownmouse, that's a nice set-up. do you love the great river?

i was thinking of picking one up.

brownmouse · 16th February 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by ray dsr
brownmouse, that's a nice set-up. do you love the great river?

i was thinking of picking one up.

thanks, yeah, the great river mp-2nv is one of the preamps i can't function without (the pendulum is another..... which i have to break down and just buy real soon). extremely versatile.
joshua

brendondp · 16th February 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by brownmouse
kik in..... audix d-6> great river mp-2nv
kik out.... yamaha subkick> great river mp-2nv
snare.... shure sm-57> great river mp-2nv
T1.... sennheiser 421> fmr RNP
T2... josephson e22s> fmr RNP (2 toms are enough for me :-)
OH-L> josephson c42 (or gefell m-930)> pendulum mdp-1a
OH-R> (same as Oh-L)
FOK (or room).... AEA R-84> great river mp-2nv

joshua

Hey Josh,

What else have you tried your e22s and R-84 on kit wise? I really like SD condensers on snare and toms, and ribbons on FOK and outside kick. Haven't tried these out by any chance, have you?

Cheers,

bdp

DirkB · 16th February 2005

Mic's:
inside kick: D112 or MD441
outside kick: U195
overheads: ORTF or DIN stereo C42's
snare: sm57
toms: Audix D2's
mono room: R-121 (most of the times with some 'Distression')

Preamps are 312's, TG2's amd DM1000's.

Or alternatively:

R-121 mono overhead
U195 room
D112 inside kick
sm57 snare

Greetings,
Dirk

brownmouse · 17th February 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by brendondp
Hey Josh,

What else have you tried your e22s and R-84 on kit wise? I really like SD condensers on snare and toms, and ribbons on FOK and outside kick. Haven't tried these out by any chance, have you?

Cheers,

bdp

i'm finding the e22s more and more to be quite utilitarian. i really like it on toms, snare and overheads. it also shines on electric guitar cabs and acoustic guitar.... quite useful. as far as the r-84, on drums it pretty much stays in the FOK spot. electric guitar cabs are a favorite application for the r-84 as well for me.
joshua

zxcv · 17th February 2005

Kick - RE-20 - Avalon 737
Snare top - SM57 - Avalon 737
Snare bottom - KM184 - API 3124
tom 1 - SM57 - API 3124
tom 2 - Sennheiser 421 - API 3124
Floor tom - Sennheiser 421 - API 3124
OH - U87 - GML 8304

brendondp · 17th February 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by brownmouse
i'm finding the e22s more and more to be quite utilitarian. i really like it on toms, snare and overheads. it also shines on electric guitar cabs and acoustic guitar.... quite useful. as far as the r-84, on drums it pretty much stays in the FOK spot. electric guitar cabs are a favorite application for the r-84 as well for me.
joshua

Cheers!

bdp

14th February 2005	#1
Hiwatt Gear addict Joined: May 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 389 Thread Starter	Drum Sounds Say you had a standard drum kit... kick, snare, three toms, ride, crash, and hi hats... if you could only use 8 mic pres and 8 mics, what would they be? I've been diggin my tg preamps on drums lately... 1. Kick --> Audix D6 --> TG-2 2. Snare top --> SM57 --> TG-2 3. Snare bottom --> SM57 --> TG-2 4. Rack tom 1 --> SM57 --> Art MPA 5. Rack tom 2 --> SM57 --> Art MPA 6. Floor tom --> Seinnheiser 421 --> TG2 7. Over head L --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV 8. Over head R --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV feel feel to post what eq's and commpressors you like to use as well...

14th February 2005	#2
PaRaNoId Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 550	depends on exact style and drummer, butt.... 1. Kick -->Senn e602--> API 3124 2. Snare top --> beta57 OR sm-57--> Manley SLAM 3. Snare bottom --> e609 --> MP-2NV 4. Rack tom 1 --> Senn e604 --> MP-2NV 5. Rack tom 2 --> Senn e604 --> API 3124 6. Floor tom --> Sennheiser 421 --> Manley SLAM 7. OH L --> Rode K2 OR AT 4047--> SSL 4000G 8. OH R --> Rode K2 OR AT 4047--> SSL 4000G ...If it was heavier music i would also (slightly) clip all the API pres, use the FET limiter on the SLAM channels, and hit the Great Rivers pretty hard. Loving parallel coompression on the OH these days...almost any decent compressor works.... __________________ It's not the tools, it's the talent... Clients include- GIN BLOSSOMS, SOCIAL DISTORTION, HOT HOT HEAT, CIRCA SURVIVE, SILVER SUN PICKUPS, PHOENIX, DIRTY HEADS, ROGER CLYNE AND THE PACEMAKERS, BUSTICLES, ABOVE THE LOVE...

14th February 2005	#6
wwittman one man, ONE mic pre Joined: Jan 2004 Location: New York Posts: 2,303	BD- SM-7 or RE20 Snare - KM-84 Over the high toms - Gefell UM70 or U-87 At side of Low toms - Gefell UM70 or U-87 In front of Kit looking in at at from 6-15 feet away - 2 STC/Coles 4038s I would use all the same discrete mic pres.. either API, Daking or Neve. That's 6 mics. If something is missing or needs help i'd use one of the other two channles for that. If not, not. __________________ William Wittman Producer/Engineer (Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield...) prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com thewombforums.com

14th February 2005	#10
Buddhaman Gear addict Joined: Apr 2003 Location: CT Posts: 458	quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Hiwatt Say you had a standard drum kit... kick, snare, three toms, ride, crash, and hi hats... if you could only use 8 mic pres and 8 mics, what would they be? I've been diggin my tg preamps on drums lately... 1. Kick --> Audix D6 --> TG-2 2. Snare top --> SM57 --> TG-2 3. Snare bottom --> SM57 --> TG-2 4. Rack tom 1 --> SM57 --> Art MPA 5. Rack tom 2 --> SM57 --> Art MPA 6. Floor tom --> Seinnheiser 421 --> TG2 7. Over head L --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV 8. Over head R --> TLM103 --> GR MP-2NV feel feel to post what eq's and commpressors you like to use as well... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RECENT Punk POP session 1/ KICK --Beta 52--Yamaha PM1000 pre/eq 2/ Snare Top Ocktava 219-- API 312 3/ Snare Bottom Ocktava 219--API 312 4/ Tom 1 SM58--Yamamy PM1000 5/ Tom2 SM58B --Yammy PM1000 6/ Tom 3 MXL Fox -- Yammy PM1000 7/ Mismatched Left Ohead AEA R84 --TG2 8/ Mismatched right Ohead U195 -- TG2 straight into an AD16x with the soft limit on The Yammy's are great drum eq's and preamps (IRON) Buddhaman __________________ "Endeavor to persevere"

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14th February 2005	#3
ray dsr Lives for gear Joined: May 2003 Location: Montclair, NJ Posts: 613	Here's my current drum miking set-up: Top snare>sm57-OSA-MP1A Bot snare>sm84-OSA-MP1A Middle Overhead>Soundeluxe U195>BAE 312A Far Right Overhead>AKG 414-BULS>BAE 312A Kick>ATM25>OSA-MP1L3 Mono Room>Soundelux E47>OSA-MP1L3 all tracks to RADAR. with the Soundelux U195 in "fat" mode i get enough toms to not have to close them.

14th February 2005	#4
Lord Fear Gear maniac Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 269	Here's mine: 1) Kick - e609-1073 2) Snare Top - SM57-1073 3) Snare Bottom - AKG 451-Focusrite Red 4 4) Rack Tom - 421 - Focusrite Red 4 5) Floor Tom - 421 - Focusrite Red 4 6) Hat - KM 84 - Focusrite Red 4 7) Oh Side - U87 - V72 8) Oh Top - U87 - V72 Than if I have room to do so: 9) Ride - KM 84 10) Room L - AT 4050 11) Room R - AT 4050 12) Mono Room - Royer 121

14th February 2005	#8
studjo Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,414	Always changing but my actual session uses: Kick in: AT Pro9 - Pendulum Quartet Kick out: Royer 121 - Desk Snare top: SM57 - Daking Snare bottom: Sm 57 - Desk Overheads: Beyer M160 - Buzz MA2.2 Toms: 421 - Desk Floor Tom: Re20 - Desk Room (M/S): U87/AT4050 - Desk Hat: KM 184 - Desk Drummer insisted on the Snare bottom mic - and I like it after a very long time hating every snare bottom mic I think I won't use much of the kick out mic on this project - but you never know I love the Buzz on the overheads - really SCHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET so for this Session for this drummer .... Jo

14th February 2005	#9
kudzu Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2004 Location: Scotland UK Posts: 709	Recent Rock/Blues/pop band. Pearl Export Kit Sennheiser 602 Kick (don't need 5K with this mic) U87 Snare (Ludwig Black Beauty, What a great sounding drum) Sennheiser 604's on the toms 84i's on the hats and OHS All into API's Sounded great...mind u, the room was great also...the kit was reskinned and tuned by a real pro...every session I do I bring in a guy 2 "tune the kit"...makes it a lot easier

15th February 2005	#12
doorknocker Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Basel, Switzerland Posts: 6,206 1 Review written	Kick --> D-112 or 421 --> UA 2108 --> dbx 160VU Snare --> Beyer M201 --> UA 2108 --> dbx 160VU (sometimes) OHs --> KM 184s in 'Recorderman' --> TG-2 FOK /Room --> C-414 B-ULS --> 6176 in 8:1 or 'British' Toms --> Telefunken 421s --> ART MPAs I recently got a pair of Beyer M160s, I actually prefer the KM 184s for OHs in my room. Have only tried them in 'Recorderman' so far, there were actually NOT ENOUGH cymbals captured if you can believe such a thing. I'll try it in another setting for sure....the M160s are great for guitar cabs and percussion though! Andi www.doorknocker.ch

15th February 2005	#14
dale116dot7 Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 816	My room sucks. 1. Kick - 421, D112, or Altec M11 'Coke Bottle' -> DIY-1073 -> heavily modified 3630 (new guts similar to the newer dbx 160) 2. Snare - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-LT1115 preamp (Sowter iron)-> EL8 alternate mics I like here inclulde: C60 + CK61 Altec M11 Beta 57 SM57 I mix and match on snare till I get a sound I like. 3 .OHL - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-SSM preamp 4. OHR - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-SSM preamp Alternate mics I like here are the AT4033, or the MC012's if I don't need them for toms. 5. Tom 1 - MC012 -> DIY-1073 6. Tom 2 - MC012 -> DIY-1073 If I've used the MC012's up by now, then I'll use some modified AT Pro37R's here. 7. Tom 3 - SM57 -> DIY-RCA-BA31 If I have the 421 because I didn't use it on kick, I'll use it here. One of: 8a. Hat - C451B, -20dB pad -> DIY-SSM preamp 8b. Room - Altec M11, AT4050, AT4033, or whatever seems right and whatever's left over. 8c. Snare bottom - TLM103 or something else.... see above. Overheads I roll off during mixdown, and same with the snare. The C451B is really too bright for both of these locations but it's a clean bright. I find I would rather roll off something during the mix then try to add it with EQ later if it turns out something's too dark.

15th February 2005	#15
Drumsound Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Bloomington Il Posts: 5,187	Dale116dot7, Modified Pro37R? Do tell...

15th February 2005	#16
brownmouse Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,399	kik in..... audix d-6> great river mp-2nv kik out.... yamaha subkick> great river mp-2nv snare.... shure sm-57> great river mp-2nv T1.... sennheiser 421> fmr RNP T2... josephson e22s> fmr RNP (2 toms are enough for me :-) OH-L> josephson c42 (or gefell m-930)> pendulum mdp-1a OH-R> (same as Oh-L) FOK (or room).... AEA R-84> great river mp-2nv joshua

16th February 2005	#18
ray dsr Lives for gear Joined: May 2003 Location: Montclair, NJ Posts: 613	brownmouse, that's a nice set-up. do you love the great river? i was thinking of picking one up.

16th February 2005	#21
DirkB Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,723	Mic's: inside kick: D112 or MD441 outside kick: U195 overheads: ORTF or DIN stereo C42's snare: sm57 toms: Audix D2's mono room: R-121 (most of the times with some 'Distression') Preamps are 312's, TG2's amd DM1000's. Or alternatively: R-121 mono overhead U195 room D112 inside kick sm57 snare Greetings, Dirk

17th February 2005	#23
zxcv Gear Head Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 39	Kick - RE-20 - Avalon 737 Snare top - SM57 - Avalon 737 Snare bottom - KM184 - API 3124 tom 1 - SM57 - API 3124 tom 2 - Sennheiser 421 - API 3124 Floor tom - Sennheiser 421 - API 3124 OH - U87 - GML 8304

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