Best Way to Split Guitar Signal?

neve1073 · 9th February 2005, 12:44 AM

I need to find a box that effectively splits a guitar signal so I can send to two guitar amps, or to a guitar amp and to DI.

Any recommendations please.

Thanks

drew · 9th February 2005, 12:54 AM

http://www.littlelabs.com/std.html

also allows you to make long runs through studio wiring without loss.

pgk · 9th February 2005, 12:56 AM

lehle and radial make the best splitters going, imo. proper splitters are not cheap, expect to shell out between $2-250. it is money well spent cheap ones (whirlwind) pad down the sound and take feel away.

http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-jx2.htm

http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?co..._Link=products

Tim L · 9th February 2005, 12:59 AM

I absolutely love the Little Labs STD for this... zero loss of tone!!!!!

Oh yeah, and it makes for a very nice line driver as well...

Little Labs STD

pgk · 9th February 2005, 01:10 AM

http://www.littlelabs.com/std.pdf

read the pdf carefully; the warning about killing the cable with a static discharge is very worrisome to me. does'nt matter what the reason is, they need find a way to fix that if possible. computer cards are one thing, but a cable?!?

that ain't a real world scenario by any stretch of the imagination.

umm, maybe i'm missing something here.....

e-cue · 9th February 2005, 01:43 AM

I'd go with the Little Labs PCP. Great, great unit. Has a DI included.

antti · 9th February 2005, 01:49 AM

Then there's the Alan Smart box.

vandi · 9th February 2005, 02:46 AM

Here's another good one:

http://www.roger-mayer.co.uk/crossroads.htm

I've had great luck with mine.

Shan · 9th February 2005, 02:52 AM

Radial Eng Boxes are good also.

Shane

bobby yarrow · 9th February 2005, 03:02 AM

I have a little labs redeye which works for this and is great as a di/reamp box. For running out to 2 amps, tho, you really don't need anything fancier than just about any stompbox with stereo outs. I'll often use my moogerfooger phaser -- turned off -- for this purpose, cause it's an active bypass which helps with a longer signal run. Almost anything is fine -- any stereo delay, any of those little line6 pedals, whatever.

radiospace · 9th February 2005, 03:06 AM

If you're on a budget I'm quite pleased with my Groove Tubes DI. (Street price approx $39).

GPl · 9th February 2005, 03:40 AM

Radial X-AMP will do the trick. I have one and works wonders for a number of applications.X-AMP

Billy Bush · 9th February 2005, 04:08 AM

Gotta throw in a vote for the Littlelabs PCP Distro. I can't live without it!

Regards,

Billy Bush/garbage

Tim L · 9th February 2005, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pgk
read the pdf carefully; the warning about killing the cable with a static discharge is very worrisome to me....

Hmmm.. that wasn't in the earlier version STD pdf I d-loaded when I got mine. Maybe I've been lucky but I haven't had a problem... I wasn't even aware that the possibility of a problem existed. I'll be taking a bit more care though.

littlelabs · 9th February 2005, 06:49 AM

Hey I just saw this thread and wanted to chime in about the STD. I have sold about 150 of them and have had about 5 that came back blown up. I am not sure what blew them up but the static issue was a theory that seemed plausible so I brought that up in the newer manual. I am paranoid so I will share any theory about the possibility of the thing blowing up with the world so people will be careful. All the blown cables were fixed free of charge and shipped free back as far as Australia. Plugging the cable into a speaker output will blow them up as well. Anyway if you buy one you are covered. I hate to see people not buy one because of the static issue which I very well could be wrong about.
all the best
Jonathan

neve1073 · 9th February 2005, 08:02 AM

The PCP looks pretty badass, but more than I need.

I really just want to be able to plug a gtr cord into a box that will send out, for instance, to my princeton and my magnatone without creating any noise or impedance issues.

I'd better give little labs a call tomorrow.

Thanks for all the responses.

paterno · 9th February 2005, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bobby yarrow
I have a little labs redeye which works for this and is great as a di/reamp box. For running out to 2 amps, tho, you really don't need anything fancier than just about any stompbox with stereo outs. I'll often use my moogerfooger phaser -- turned off -- for this purpose, cause it's an active bypass which helps with a longer signal run. Almost anything is fine -- any stereo delay, any of those little line6 pedals, whatever.

you should do an experiment to see how different your tone is going direct into an amp versus splitting out of a pedal. The difference can be pretty astounding, and will vary pedal to pedal! The Little Labs PCP is optimized for this very application so degredation of signal is almost zero. Plus it has the ground lift and polarity switches to help with those nasty issues that always come up.

Cheers,
John

Tim L · 9th February 2005, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by littlelabs
Hey I just saw this thread and wanted to chime in about the STD. I have sold about 150 of them and have had about 5 that came back blown up. I am not sure what blew them up but the static issue was a theory that seemed plausible so I brought that up in the newer manual. I am paranoid so I will share any theory about the possibility of the thing blowing up with the world so people will be careful. All the blown cables were fixed free of charge and shipped free back as far as Australia. Plugging the cable into a speaker output will blow them up as well. Anyway if you buy one you are covered. I hate to see people not buy one because of the static issue which I very well could be wrong about.
all the best
Jonathan

Thanks for stoppin' in on this one.

dillweed · 9th February 2005, 11:52 PM

not sure if i would want an STD. and pay for it?
sounds like an embarrasing doctor visit.

i bought the radial jd-7 recently and love it. great company!
stay away from something like the morley A/B box. (what i used to use)

Thermionic · 9th February 2005, 11:58 PM

I just had a sniff around the Jensen transformers site to see if they had a unit for the job, but couldn't find any splitters for high-impedance signals, only mic-type impedance. I wonder if an email to Jensen could be worth a go if you fancy a passive solution?

Justin

JB3 · 10th February 2005, 12:01 AM

Maybe I'm the only one here who's noticed, but...

Sometimes one of the most important effects on the overall sound coming out of the system is the 'loading' effect of the pickup interacting directly with the amp.

(Try plugging in a PBass direct to the 'inst' in on your pre, get your sound, then break that line with a splitter, an iso box or even the STD...see if you notice a difference...)

...J

chap · 10th February 2005, 06:28 AM

I've tried everything (I'm a guitar player)
and ended up with a flexible, multitasking setup that allows me to record from my control room into at least 3 amps (I'm a bit piggy).
My solution was 2 Little Lab PCP's connected via rear panel. It's an amazing creative tool and i can still use the 2nd one in mixdown.
Buy something that's great at more than 1 thing.
With the PCP, you can record up to 3 amps AND at mixdown, use it to run a track through some stompboxes. Jonathan couldn't be more helpful if he moved in. I'm thinking about it.
chap

cannikin · 11th February 2005, 12:00 AM

Check these out:

George Lynch Tripler Pedal

http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/morley.php

Voodoo Labs:

http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/voodoo.php

robmix · 11th February 2005, 01:00 AM

Don't forget about the Axess Electronics BS-2:

http://www.axess-electronics.com/

Always gets rave reviews on the guitar-slut boards. BTW, I'm selling my Radial JD-7 which is also perfect for the task if anyone is interested.

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9th February 2005, 12:44 AM	#1
neve1073 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	Best Way to Split Guitar Signal? I need to find a box that effectively splits a guitar signal so I can send to two guitar amps, or to a guitar amp and to DI. Any recommendations please. Thanks __________________ =================== "Let's be discrete"

9th February 2005, 12:54 AM	#2
drew Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland,USA Posts: 2,422	http://www.littlelabs.com/std.html also allows you to make long runs through studio wiring without loss. __________________ Drew Mazurek Artist Direct Page Mixing ITB? Just because you're not good at it, doesn't mean it sucks.

9th February 2005, 12:59 AM	#4
Tim L Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lawn Guy Land Posts: 1,350	I absolutely love the Little Labs STD for this... zero loss of tone!!!!! Oh yeah, and it makes for a very nice line driver as well... Little Labs STD __________________ "Play ƒuckin' Loud!!!..." - Bob Dylan, May 17 1966

9th February 2005, 03:40 AM	#12
GPl Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ottawa Posts: 1,294	Radial X-AMP will do the trick. I have one and works wonders for a number of applications.X-AMP __________________ Michael Scott --------------------------------------------- "Two degrees in bebop, a PHD in swing, he's the master of rhythm, he's a rock and roll king" -Lowell George-

9th February 2005, 12:56 AM	#3
pgk Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 106	lehle and radial make the best splitters going, imo. proper splitters are not cheap, expect to shell out between $2-250. it is money well spent cheap ones (whirlwind) pad down the sound and take feel away. http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-jx2.htm http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?co..._Link=products

9th February 2005, 01:10 AM	#5
pgk Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 106	http://www.littlelabs.com/std.pdf read the pdf carefully; the warning about killing the cable with a static discharge is very worrisome to me. does'nt matter what the reason is, they need find a way to fix that if possible. computer cards are one thing, but a cable?!? that ain't a real world scenario by any stretch of the imagination. umm, maybe i'm missing something here.....

9th February 2005, 01:43 AM	#6
e-cue Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 3,884	I'd go with the Little Labs PCP. Great, great unit. Has a DI included.

9th February 2005, 01:49 AM	#7
antti Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 158	Then there's the Alan Smart box.

9th February 2005, 02:46 AM	#8
vandi Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 90	Here's another good one: http://www.roger-mayer.co.uk/crossroads.htm I've had great luck with mine.

9th February 2005, 02:52 AM	#9
Shan Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 634	Radial Eng Boxes are good also. Shane

9th February 2005, 03:02 AM	#10
bobby yarrow Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 360	I have a little labs redeye which works for this and is great as a di/reamp box. For running out to 2 amps, tho, you really don't need anything fancier than just about any stompbox with stereo outs. I'll often use my moogerfooger phaser -- turned off -- for this purpose, cause it's an active bypass which helps with a longer signal run. Almost anything is fine -- any stereo delay, any of those little line6 pedals, whatever.

9th February 2005, 03:06 AM	#11
radiospace Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 430	If you're on a budget I'm quite pleased with my Groove Tubes DI. (Street price approx $39).

9th February 2005, 04:08 AM	#13
Billy Bush Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 87	Gotta throw in a vote for the Littlelabs PCP Distro. I can't live without it! Regards, Billy Bush/garbage

9th February 2005, 06:49 AM	#15
littlelabs Little Labs Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 194	Hey I just saw this thread and wanted to chime in about the STD. I have sold about 150 of them and have had about 5 that came back blown up. I am not sure what blew them up but the static issue was a theory that seemed plausible so I brought that up in the newer manual. I am paranoid so I will share any theory about the possibility of the thing blowing up with the world so people will be careful. All the blown cables were fixed free of charge and shipped free back as far as Australia. Plugging the cable into a speaker output will blow them up as well. Anyway if you buy one you are covered. I hate to see people not buy one because of the static issue which I very well could be wrong about. all the best Jonathan __________________ Little Labs Professional Audio Design, Manufacturing and Consulting http://www.littlelabs.com/ vox/fax :323.851.6860

9th February 2005, 08:02 AM	#16
neve1073 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	The PCP looks pretty badass, but more than I need. I really just want to be able to plug a gtr cord into a box that will send out, for instance, to my princeton and my magnatone without creating any noise or impedance issues. I'd better give little labs a call tomorrow. Thanks for all the responses. __________________ =================== "Let's be discrete"

9th February 2005, 11:52 PM	#19
dillweed Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tx. Posts: 159	not sure if i would want an STD. and pay for it? sounds like an embarrasing doctor visit. i bought the radial jd-7 recently and love it. great company! stay away from something like the morley A/B box. (what i used to use)

9th February 2005, 11:58 PM	#20
Thermionic Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 660	I just had a sniff around the Jensen transformers site to see if they had a unit for the job, but couldn't find any splitters for high-impedance signals, only mic-type impedance. I wonder if an email to Jensen could be worth a go if you fancy a passive solution? Justin

10th February 2005, 12:01 AM	#21
JB3 Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCali, USA Posts: 288	Maybe I'm the only one here who's noticed, but... Sometimes one of the most important effects on the overall sound coming out of the system is the 'loading' effect of the pickup interacting directly with the amp. (Try plugging in a PBass direct to the 'inst' in on your pre, get your sound, then break that line with a splitter, an iso box or even the STD...see if you notice a difference...) ...J

10th February 2005, 06:28 AM	#22
chap Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CT Posts: 948	I've tried everything (I'm a guitar player) and ended up with a flexible, multitasking setup that allows me to record from my control room into at least 3 amps (I'm a bit piggy). My solution was 2 Little Lab PCP's connected via rear panel. It's an amazing creative tool and i can still use the 2nd one in mixdown. Buy something that's great at more than 1 thing. With the PCP, you can record up to 3 amps AND at mixdown, use it to run a track through some stompboxes. Jonathan couldn't be more helpful if he moved in. I'm thinking about it. chap

11th February 2005, 12:00 AM	#23
cannikin Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 208	Check these out: George Lynch Tripler Pedal http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/morley.php Voodoo Labs: http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/voodoo.php __________________ cannikin life is still sweet

11th February 2005, 01:00 AM	#24
robmix Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,985	Don't forget about the Axess Electronics BS-2: http://www.axess-electronics.com/ Always gets rave reviews on the guitar-slut boards. BTW, I'm selling my Radial JD-7 which is also perfect for the task if anyone is interested.

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