Using delay for vocal doubling?

chessparov · 1st February 2003

Someone asked me how well delay on an effects unit can simulate
double tracked vocals. This is for live use where they'd be using the
"tap" function. A response in the next few hours or sooner would
be greatly appreciated. So hurry up! (just kidding)

Thanks
Chris

e-cue · 1st February 2003

Ekk. Well, sort of, but not really.

The M3000 has a "vocal doubler" (preset 137 I think... don't have it in front of me) and the The Antares Vocal Producer unit does this quite well.

If you plan on doing this with a tap delay, throw a "micro pitch shift" from the H3000 or other eventide units, or try a 6 voice choirs (the one on the cart in the 480 is awesome) depending on what you are starting with, and what you are desiring.

There's also a 6 pitch "doubler" preset in the waves bundle if you are DAWing, but it's not as good in my opinion as the other stuff I blabed about, mainly because of the massive plug in delay you get.

chessparov · 1st February 2003

Thanks e-cue.
I had a Lexicon up for sale at e-bay and someone there asked me this question. They were advised to check this thread for a
response.

Chris

Dave Martin · 2nd February 2003

Hey, I didn't think about a thickening thing I sometimes do on background vocals (when I'm too tired to have the singer double all the parts); In Pro Tools, duplicate all of the background vocal tracks, and pan the duplcates hard right with the originals hard left. Then select all of the duplicates and delay them by one frame. It doesn't really sound like the group has doubled the BGV's, but it's fatter than leaving them alone and more transparent than using a delay

AudioGaff · 2nd February 2003

I've done vocal doubling in my Eventide DSP4500 and DSP7000 where I create a custom preset where the delay is random within a range of few to several ms or I can manual adjust it by hand with the scrub wheel or via MIDI. Plenty of existing useable delay presets as well if your lazy.

chessparov · 2nd February 2003

Thanks again guys, will keep these ideas in the back of my mind...

Chris

Fletcher · 2nd February 2003

You probably can't "tap" fast enough for a 'doubling' thing... try a delay of about 40ms [+/- 100, with a little bit of 'depth' and middle to low speed from the 'modulation' section and you should be fine.

Best of luck.

chessparov · 3rd February 2003

Thanks Fletcher!

Chris

1st February 2003	#1
chessparov Jr. Gear Slut 2nd class Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,900 Thread Starter	Using delay for vocal doubling? Someone asked me how well delay on an effects unit can simulate double tracked vocals. This is for live use where they'd be using the "tap" function. A response in the next few hours or sooner would be greatly appreciated. So hurry up! (just kidding) Thanks Chris

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Dave Martin Moderator emeritus Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 3,152	Hey, I didn't think about a thickening thing I sometimes do on background vocals (when I'm too tired to have the singer double all the parts); In Pro Tools, duplicate all of the background vocal tracks, and pan the duplcates hard right with the originals hard left. Then select all of the duplicates and delay them by one frame. It doesn't really sound like the group has doubled the BGV's, but it's fatter than leaving them alone and more transparent than using a delay __________________ Dave Martin Java Jive Studio www.javajivestudio.com Nashville, TN

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AudioGaff Gear addict Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 397	I've done vocal doubling in my Eventide DSP4500 and DSP7000 where I create a custom preset where the delay is random within a range of few to several ms or I can manual adjust it by hand with the scrub wheel or via MIDI. Plenty of existing useable delay presets as well if your lazy. __________________ - AudioGaff -

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Fletcher member no 666 Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 10,110	You probably can't "tap" fast enough for a 'doubling' thing... try a delay of about 40ms [+/- 100, with a little bit of 'depth' and middle to low speed from the 'modulation' section and you should be fine. Best of luck. __________________ CN Fletcher Professional Affiliations: R/E/P Professional Recording Engineer and Producer forums - serious hobbyists welcome SoundPure.com mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light

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e-cue Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 4,069	Ekk. Well, sort of, but not really. The M3000 has a "vocal doubler" (preset 137 I think... don't have it in front of me) and the The Antares Vocal Producer unit does this quite well. If you plan on doing this with a tap delay, throw a "micro pitch shift" from the H3000 or other eventide units, or try a 6 voice choirs (the one on the cart in the 480 is awesome) depending on what you are starting with, and what you are desiring. There's also a 6 pitch "doubler" preset in the waves bundle if you are DAWing, but it's not as good in my opinion as the other stuff I blabed about, mainly because of the massive plug in delay you get.

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chessparov Jr. Gear Slut 2nd class Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,900 Thread Starter	Thanks Fletcher! Chris

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