Using delay for vocal doubling?

chessparov · 1st February 2003, 07:23 PM

Someone asked me how well delay on an effects unit can simulate
double tracked vocals. This is for live use where they'd be using the
"tap" function. A response in the next few hours or sooner would
be greatly appreciated. So hurry up! (just kidding)

Thanks
Chris

e-cue · 1st February 2003, 07:41 PM

Ekk. Well, sort of, but not really.

The M3000 has a "vocal doubler" (preset 137 I think... don't have it in front of me) and the The Antares Vocal Producer unit does this quite well.

If you plan on doing this with a tap delay, throw a "micro pitch shift" from the H3000 or other eventide units, or try a 6 voice choirs (the one on the cart in the 480 is awesome) depending on what you are starting with, and what you are desiring.

There's also a 6 pitch "doubler" preset in the waves bundle if you are DAWing, but it's not as good in my opinion as the other stuff I blabed about, mainly because of the massive plug in delay you get.

chessparov · 2nd February 2003, 12:11 AM

Thanks e-cue.
I had a Lexicon up for sale at e-bay and someone there asked me this question. They were advised to check this thread for a
response.

Chris

Dave Martin · 2nd February 2003, 01:37 AM

Hey, I didn't think about a thickening thing I sometimes do on background vocals (when I'm too tired to have the singer double all the parts); In Pro Tools, duplicate all of the background vocal tracks, and pan the duplcates hard right with the originals hard left. Then select all of the duplicates and delay them by one frame. It doesn't really sound like the group has doubled the BGV's, but it's fatter than leaving them alone and more transparent than using a delay

AudioGaff · 2nd February 2003, 06:06 AM

I've done vocal doubling in my Eventide DSP4500 and DSP7000 where I create a custom preset where the delay is random within a range of few to several ms or I can manual adjust it by hand with the scrub wheel or via MIDI. Plenty of existing useable delay presets as well if your lazy.

chessparov · 2nd February 2003, 09:56 AM

Thanks again guys, will keep these ideas in the back of my mind...

Chris

Fletcher · 2nd February 2003, 01:26 PM

You probably can't "tap" fast enough for a 'doubling' thing... try a delay of about 40ms [+/- 100, with a little bit of 'depth' and middle to low speed from the 'modulation' section and you should be fine.

Best of luck.

chessparov · 3rd February 2003, 05:07 AM

Thanks Fletcher!

Chris

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1st February 2003, 07:23 PM	#1
chessparov Jr. Gear Slut 2nd class Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 990	Using delay for vocal doubling? Someone asked me how well delay on an effects unit can simulate double tracked vocals. This is for live use where they'd be using the "tap" function. A response in the next few hours or sooner would be greatly appreciated. So hurry up! (just kidding) Thanks Chris

2nd February 2003, 01:37 AM	#4
Dave Martin Moderator emeritus Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 3,170	Hey, I didn't think about a thickening thing I sometimes do on background vocals (when I'm too tired to have the singer double all the parts); In Pro Tools, duplicate all of the background vocal tracks, and pan the duplcates hard right with the originals hard left. Then select all of the duplicates and delay them by one frame. It doesn't really sound like the group has doubled the BGV's, but it's fatter than leaving them alone and more transparent than using a delay __________________ Dave Martin Java Jive Studio www.javajivestudio.com Cuppa Joe Records www.cuppajoerecords.com Nashville, TN

2nd February 2003, 06:06 AM	#5
AudioGaff Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 345	I've done vocal doubling in my Eventide DSP4500 and DSP7000 where I create a custom preset where the delay is random within a range of few to several ms or I can manual adjust it by hand with the scrub wheel or via MIDI. Plenty of existing useable delay presets as well if your lazy. __________________ - AudioGaff -

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Fletcher 3 + infractions, membership under review with GS admin Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Foxboro, MA USA Posts: 5,783	You probably can't "tap" fast enough for a 'doubling' thing... try a delay of about 40ms [+/- 100, with a little bit of 'depth' and middle to low speed from the 'modulation' section and you should be fine. Best of luck. __________________ [COLOR="White"][/COLOR] [SIZE="2"][b]Fletcher[/b][/SIZE] If you have a question please email me at [email]Fletcher@mercenary.com[/email] instead of using the PM system... I very rarely check that system and it could take a while to get a response. I can also be found at either address below: [size=2][url=http://recforums.prosoundweb.com][b]R/E/P[/b][/url][/size] the [b]R[/b]ecording [b]E[/b]ngineer and [b]P[/b]roducer forums [url=http://www.mercenary.com][b]Mercenary Audio[/b][/url] [size=1][b]mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33[/b] We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid [b][url=http://www.ericambel.com/index.htm]Roscoe[/url] Ambel once said[/b]: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light[/size]

1st February 2003, 07:41 PM	#2
e-cue Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 3,884	Ekk. Well, sort of, but not really. The M3000 has a "vocal doubler" (preset 137 I think... don't have it in front of me) and the The Antares Vocal Producer unit does this quite well. If you plan on doing this with a tap delay, throw a "micro pitch shift" from the H3000 or other eventide units, or try a 6 voice choirs (the one on the cart in the 480 is awesome) depending on what you are starting with, and what you are desiring. There's also a 6 pitch "doubler" preset in the waves bundle if you are DAWing, but it's not as good in my opinion as the other stuff I blabed about, mainly because of the massive plug in delay you get.

2nd February 2003, 12:11 AM	#3
chessparov Jr. Gear Slut 2nd class Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 990	Thanks e-cue. I had a Lexicon up for sale at e-bay and someone there asked me this question. They were advised to check this thread for a response. Chris

2nd February 2003, 09:56 AM	#6
chessparov Jr. Gear Slut 2nd class Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 990	Thanks again guys, will keep these ideas in the back of my mind... Chris

3rd February 2003, 05:07 AM	#8
chessparov Jr. Gear Slut 2nd class Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 990	Thanks Fletcher! Chris

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