Kick drum mics.
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Kick drum mics.

I have a beta 52 and when i stick it rite up to there the beater hits the kick i still dont get a very clicky sound. With a AKG D112 will i get a more clicky sound?
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The D112 is a ton clickier if that is what you want. The 52 is more round, but with a little EQ work you might be able to get what you want.
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Have you tried leaving the mic exactly where it is and tightening the batter head of the drum a quarter turn on all lugs?
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I have a beta 52 and when i stick it rite up to there the beater hits the kick i still dont get a very clicky sound. With a AKG D112 will i get a more clicky sound?
use a 'clicky' beater
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use a 'clicky' beater
The beta 52 gets plenty of click for me - often too much. Make sure the drummer is using the hard side of the beater.
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...presumably on the outside of the kick, beater side, although I don't think this is likely to be the sound you're after.

Whatever you do don't put a 4038 inside the kick drum.....unless you like paying for the re-ribboning of microphones.

I'd 2nd the idea of a clickier kick drum sound to start with - harder beater, plastic panel on the head, etc.
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The beta 52 gets plenty of click for me - often too much. Make sure the drummer is using the hard side of the beater.
+1 both you and Allen, it is about the beater and tuning. The 52 has a huge point in the upper mids bringing maximum click to a drum that makes any click!
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also what size kick drum?
and I also find some heads are 'clickier'
besides obvious tuning etc...

I have a d112 , a beta 52 , audix d6 and 421
and have used them all on kicks . They can all sound clicky
so I would say it ain't the mics. Though I find the beta 52 a little clickier
along with the 421. But it all depends on heads, tuning, mic placement, beater
and how hard the drummer slams the beater. The heavier the clickier (usually).
But a flatfooted attack will yeild a different timbre than a tippy toe attack on the pedal
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try putting the mic about 2/3 of the way in (closer to the beater) and angling the mic away from the beater at about 30-45 degrees. there is so much air being moved by the kick drum, it often makes the mic sound thuddy when pointed right at the beater. the beta 52 should get a pretty nice clicky sound, although if you are wanting a different mic, i would try the heil pr40 for that application. best of luck.
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The kick has been my biggest challenge in micing the kit. I now religiously
will use a RE-20 or a Beyer 380 to get the boomyness from the front.
And I've been clipping on a Shure Beta 98 on the beater side to get the
click. It will pick up some bottom snare, but I kinda like a lot of snare bottom anyway.

I will try tightning the lugs next time though. Sounds like a good idea.
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I think the D112 basically just has more midrange than the 52... that's how it sounds, anyway. However, I'd also mention that the D112 (perhaps, because of having more midrange) seems to be a bit more sensitive to positioning.

One mic that we tried against a 52 recently was a PR40 (Heil), and we were really impressed. Thing is, the mic is SO DANG SMOOTH!!! The 52 is big and wooly (we went through identical TL tube pre's, keep in mind), and the PR40 is smoother and allows more sustain.

The ONLY thing to keep in mind with the PR40 - at least, what we found time and time again - is that the low end doesn't show up when you record it. You have to dial it in via eq, but boy... when you do, you'll find that you have the utmost versatility and low frequency response - far more control and low end than the 52.

I sold my PR40 months ago not realizing that it just needed a bit of eq loving. I think I'm going to be purchasing another again very soon... that and a 30 that I really loved on guitar cabs and floor tom. It KILLED a 421 on floor tom... we couldn't believe it.

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I use an Audix D6 for a clickier sound and it works just fine. Some people think it's the only thing it does but I've had a great amount of success with it in many different applications. It sounds so huge.
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You want click, then use a Sennheiser E902.

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