Auto Double Tracking on A Daw

[mikey]

Some of the guys on the VS Planet use this technique i haven't tried it yet.You copy your vocal over to a new track and then move the time line on the second track back a few notches.Have you guys used this method?
Wonder if that would be similar to the beatle technique

[Billy Bush]

Originally posted by mikey
Some of the guys on the VS Planet use this technique i haven't tried it yet.You copy your vocal over to a new track and then move the time line on the second track back a few notches.Have you guys used this method?
Wonder if that would be similar to the beatle technique

I find you have to pitch it somewhat to make it work.. preferrably modulated so it doesn't seem straight.

If you don't, it sounds either phasey or slappy, depending on how much it's delayed.

billy bush/garbage

The singer in my band always request this technique of me.

I have found that it never sounds as good as a real track AND it is a crap shoot as to the outcome. You would have to find the exact # of samples and always use that offset.

In most cases it sounds "phasey or slappy".



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[sinsay]

Nothing, absolutely nothing, beats or even comes close to the real thing.
It takes more time to try and "find" the right adjustment than to just have the singer double the part (IMO).


SIN

[Billy Bush]

Originally posted by sinsay
Nothing, absolutely nothing, beats or even comes close to the real thing.
It takes more time to try and "find" the right adjustment than to just have the singer double the part (IMO).


SIN

Without a doubt! My preferred method is to have two or three vocal chains set up so each layer is different. The same singer with the same mic & pre can get phasey if they're super-tight.

I only use the DAW ADT if there is a word or syllable somewhere that is problematic - usually to lock in a bend.

billy bush/garbage

[mikey]

i've always been a fan of this either double singing or the auto double i guess.But lately on the lead voice i've been using the pre-delay effect on my reverb unit with the reverb tunded way down.But on the backup vocals ill double them.

[maskedman72]

Originally posted by mikey
Some of the guys on the VS Planet use this technique i haven't tried it yet.You copy your vocal over to a new track and then move the time line on the second track back a few notches.Have you guys used this method?
Wonder if that would be similar to the beatle technique

this sounds like ass. try and you will see.

[mikey]

well i'll have to try it thanks for your opinions

[warhead]

I agree with tracking it a second time, and mix it at a lower volume to get it thicker but not too fake double-y sounding. If all goes well it can really help smooth out the overall perceived pitch of the vocal take(s). Or it could just sound like double crap!

Mixing the second take down can minimize phase cancellations as well.

War

[mpr3]

As much as I hate to admit it, the best method is to Vocalign a second take off the first take. Unless of course you have a singer that is very very good at doubling. I've recorded a few hundred singers and only a couple dozen were great doublers.

IMO, stay away from ultra short delays on a duplicate track. It never sounds good.

I like to use what Michael Wagener shared about creating a 'back wall' vocal by using a single tap delay somewhere between 80 and 130 ms depending on the tempo. LPF some high end on the delay tap to around 5khz and tuck it gently under the main vocal. It peels the vocal off the speaker if that's what you want.

[toolskid]

sometimes an autotuned double of the original can give you some reasonable doubling effect.... But the real thing is king!

[Jules]

Here's a tip,

with a flat singer,

If you are in a rush and mixing create a COPY track and put Auto Tune on it (on auomatic) and use THAT for sending to reverb & long delays...

At least the decay of the reverb & delays will be in tune...

[nukmusic]

Try this:

create 2 audio tracks

track1 input is from your main vox chain, output to master fader
insert a plugin on one of track 1's inserts. patch in a aux send to any open "bus" and set it to "PRE" fader.

Track 2's input will be from track 1's aux send(open aux bus), output to master fader.

now record both tracks at the same time.

sometimes its better to use an open analog output from track 1, sent to a hardware processor back to an open analog input to track 2, in place of the aux send & open "bus". It still may flange a bit

sometimes i even copy the main vox track(duplicate-track function), import its .wav file(the copy) in Sound Forge and process it with "MIC MODELER" Im on PC it usually works without closes Protools.

[mikey]

All cool ideas
I was thinking could i record a vocal to Daw,play it back and record it on my reel to reel.At the same time monitoring the tape signal and recording it from the tape back to the daw and messing with the vari-speed on the reel to reel ???What do you guys think no i was just thinking that wont work unless i record the track and sync it up then delay ittutt

[Leo Goler]

yes, synthetic double won't sound good. Vocalign is a must have. also, get Eclipse

[wwittman]

Clearly real double tracking sounds better than artificial double tracking (well, different, anyway)
But if the idea is artificial double tracking, then offsetting a duplicate track is really the same thing as creating a delay with a DDL and works fine , for what it is.
You can make it slightly more realistic by varying the double track, cutting it into regions and sliding them around a bit so some are later or earlier than others.. perhaps earlier than the original in spots.
Vary the pitch as well, such as with Auto-Tune, and the effect gets even more pronounced.

But hundreds of records were made with either tape delay or digital delay ADT and there's nothing "horrible" about it.

[picksail]

It never hurts to REAMP the duplicated vocal track.