quote i found fascinating

genericperson · 28th December 2004, 05:51 PM

Below is a quote from Mr. O. He knows a ton, so I'm kind of re-reading it and trying to get it into my head.

The last line I find particularly intriguing. So many people are trying to get "out" of the box to sum. But is Mr. O. suggesting the exact opposite here?

In any event, it's a great 2 paragraphs:

quote:
"Anytime you mix two analog signals together, you lose 6 dB of level that needs to be made up. At some point the internal level drops below the level the signal entered the console at causing a loss of dynamic range. Subgrouping is a way to keep the levels within a mixer well above the noise level.

Summing is actually one area where digital potentially outperforms analog by a huge margin.

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shineboxNJ · 28th December 2004, 08:17 PM

that is pretty interesting... good post

biggator6 · 29th December 2004, 05:50 AM

perhaps it's like the early (and sometimes present) analog vs digital debates...
it's just what we're used to hearing - so it just sounds more 'right' doing it OTB.

I'm still trying to make it work ITB for now... but I'm not quite convinced yet.
"-)

wwittman · 29th December 2004, 06:29 AM

Except AGAIN... i can compare desk out, that is, real time unrecorded, live sound, to the digital encoded and decoded sound.

that's not a question of what i'm "used to".
It's a question of what it sounds like relative to the original.

And similarly with summing...
Have you tried comparing your mix in the box to one done with a summing box or through a desk?
One either sounds better to you or it doesn't.
There's no more to it than that.

I suppose I never understand these arguments in which someone tries to explain why I either should not, or really do not, prefer what I prefer.

PaRaNoId · 29th December 2004, 07:23 AM

random comment...I think the OTB sound has alot more to do w/ the effects used and the workflow, rather than actual digital vs. analog Summing...

Ethan Winer · 29th December 2004, 04:39 PM

GP,

> "Anytime you mix two analog signals together, you lose 6 dB of level <

Actually, it's more like 3 dB, and that's an average. The only time it would be 6 dB is when both signals are exactly the same.

--Ethan

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28th December 2004, 05:51 PM	#1
genericperson Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 522	quote i found fascinating Below is a quote from Mr. O. He knows a ton, so I'm kind of re-reading it and trying to get it into my head. The last line I find particularly intriguing. So many people are trying to get "out" of the box to sum. But is Mr. O. suggesting the exact opposite here? In any event, it's a great 2 paragraphs: quote: "Anytime you mix two analog signals together, you lose 6 dB of level that needs to be made up. At some point the internal level drops below the level the signal entered the console at causing a loss of dynamic range. Subgrouping is a way to keep the levels within a mixer well above the noise level. Summing is actually one area where digital potentially outperforms analog by a huge margin. __________________ Bob's work room 615 385-8051 http://hyperback.com"

29th December 2004, 06:29 AM	#4
wwittman Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York Posts: 1,598	Except AGAIN... i can compare desk out, that is, real time unrecorded, live sound, to the digital encoded and decoded sound. that's not a question of what i'm "used to". It's a question of what it sounds like relative to the original. And similarly with summing... Have you tried comparing your mix in the box to one done with a summing box or through a desk? One either sounds better to you or it doesn't. There's no more to it than that. I suppose I never understand these arguments in which someone tries to explain why I either should not, or really do not, prefer what I prefer. __________________ William Wittman Producer/Engineer (Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield...)

29th December 2004, 07:23 AM	#5
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	random comment...I think the OTB sound has alot more to do w/ the effects used and the workflow, rather than actual digital vs. analog Summing... __________________ It's not the tools, it's the talent...

29th December 2004, 04:39 PM	#6
Ethan Winer Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New Milford, CT, USA Posts: 4,834	Re: quote i found fascinating GP, > "Anytime you mix two analog signals together, you lose 6 dB of level < Actually, it's more like 3 dB, and that's an average. The only time it would be 6 dB is when both signals are exactly the same. --Ethan __________________ www.realtraps.com The acoustic treatment experts ----------------------- Amazing Telecaster guitar video

28th December 2004, 08:17 PM	#2
shineboxNJ Gear Head Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 62	that is pretty interesting... good post

29th December 2004, 05:50 AM	#3
biggator6 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 881	perhaps it's like the early (and sometimes present) analog vs digital debates... it's just what we're used to hearing - so it just sounds more 'right' doing it OTB. I'm still trying to make it work ITB for now... but I'm not quite convinced yet. "-)

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