Hooking up RNC+RNP

[thiagozt]

did I say something wrong?

[BradD]

I'm a bit confused. Typically you would go into the preamp, out of the preamp into the compressor, out of the compressor and into your A/D converter. Depending on what you are recording to, you then need to go back through a D/A converter to your monitors. You shouldn't have to split any signal coming out of the RNP or RNC. Good luck.

[thiagozt]

I agree, I could monitor it through software, but there's some lag going on. That's why I wanted to monitor it before the a/d conversion. Does it make sense?

[Doc Mixwell]

Whats the AD/DA converters setup look like? Interface???

You don't use the inserts on the microphone preamp for what your trying to do. You would use them for connection to the RNC with ONE TRS wire.

You either use a patch bay with HALF NORMAL to the AD Input channel, [look it up] where the signal will split by patching out of the final point in the chain to a simple monitor mixer for the artist along with a stereo output from 2 channels of DAC [music bed]. Your Preamp Output would be HALF NORMAL to the AD input on the patch bay.

Or just use the hardware routing on your interface; Example; If you need to monitor before the Software to prevent latency, than you would simply use an "input only" feed with your interface, meaning you'd MUTE the channel your recording [DAW] so it doesn't feed latency to the cans, and push up the input fader in the software controlled Routing Mixer like RME's Total Mix, or Apogee's Maestro, or what-have-you, which would pass the inputs of the box's A/D directly out of the D/A bypassing the software. You then have to go back an un-mute the track your recording to hear it back.
There are many ways to do this, but your interface/converter should have some facility to do what you need [if its up to the task],

I have no idea what your using, so for all of you guys [newbies] PLEASE GIVE US MORE INFORMATION THAN WE NEED, as you find the answers people post, will be even more confusing than before you came looking for an answer.

[BradD]

I understand, but in all honesty I've never done that. It sounds like you have some latency with your sound card. You likely need to adjust your buffer settings.

[BradD]

There you go. Adam did much better than I could have done.

[thiagozt]

hey,

sorry for not over-explaining things, I didn't want my original post to be extra long. here's the signal chain:

Mic>RNP(insert connected to the RNP through 1 TRS cable)>M-audio Firewire Solo Interface> Computer (Logic)

As of now, I was monitoring the signal coming out of the interface through the output jacks, meaning I was monitoring it through software. I didn't try to monitor through the headphone out jack on the interface, but I'm guessing it's the same signal from the output jacks.

I really appreciate your explanation Roc Mixwell, it makes a lot of sense. I don't know if my M-audio interface is up to the task though, but of course I'll try. Does anybody have any experience with this interface?


thanks

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by thiagozt

hey,

sorry for not over-explaining things, I didn't want my original post to be extra long. here's the signal chain:

Mic>RNP(insert connected to the RNP through 1 TRS cable)>M-audio Firewire Solo Interface> Computer (Logic)

As of now, I was monitoring the signal coming out of the interface through the output jacks, meaning I was monitoring it through software. I didn't try to monitor through the headphone out jack on the interface, but I'm guessing it's the same signal from the output jacks.

I really appreciate your explanation Roc Mixwell, it makes a lot of sense. I don't know if my M-audio interface is up to the task though, but of course I'll try. Does anybody have any experience with this interface?


thanks

It absolutely should offer a control panel of sorts. But I would try the HP jack, as it may be the answer without touching ONE button. It may very well be the "input only feed" I am referring to. You'll still have to MUTE the channel in the DAW, but there should be some facility to do this with the on board mixer......I'm not 100% sure, so I would revert to the manual, and if there is a control mixer, thats where you'll find this feature.

Hope this helps

[thiagozt]

sorry, but what do you mean by "HP jack"?
( my god, I'm such a n00b! )

[BradD]

Like Adam said, you don't need to use the insert for what you are trying to do. If you plug the output of the RNP into the input of the RNC and then output of RNC into M-Audio, I wouldn't think that you would have a latency problem unless your buffer/monitor settings need to be adjusted.

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by thiagozt

sorry, but what do you mean by "HP jack"?
( my god, I'm such a n00b! )

HEADPHONE JACK

Sorry.......I'm such a non-n00b.....

[thiagozt]

OMG, I can't believe it's the head phone jack. I'm really embarrassed.
Man, maybe it's because I'm a foreigner, you guys use too many acronyms... thanks again

(damn, I'm still sucha n00b!)

[Full Clip Audio]

Originally Posted by thiagozt

I wanted to monitor it before the a/d conversion. Does it make sense?

Not to me. You are recording through your converters and they will inevitably change the sound (especially with the converters you have I'm sorry to say) so it is important to monitor exactly what you are recording.

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

Not to me. You are recording through your converters and they will inevitably change the sound (especially with the converters you have I'm sorry to say) so it is important to monitor exactly what you are recording.

+1

I will agree with saying the golden rule of recording is monitoring the signal after the recorders INPUTS, so you're never leaving anything to chance, however you cannot always do this and you need to workaround it. You have to trust your signal chain. BUT monitoring [in most cases] with "hardware input routing" still passes through the same amount of electronics [ADDA] it just bypass's your software, as thats really where latency gets increased. Latency through conversion should be very minimal if any.

One way to setup pre/post DAW cues would be to make sure you had TWO separate stereo mixes from your interface, one to CHECK your inputs and one to listen pre DAW. You can feed the latent mix to your control room monitoring, and keep the ZERO LATENCY AUDIO w/ music bed feeding another mixer for your artist. This is often called a CUE mix, or FOLD BACK. I would do the send to the mixer directly out of the D/A converter. How you route the fold back is highly important to a great performance. I mix the CUE like a finished record.

[thiagozt]

Can you guys recommend an A/D D/A interface? I know my m-audio firewire solo interface is less than ideal. I guess I can spend about $500 on it.

thanks

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by thiagozt

Can you guys recommend an A/D D/A interface? I know my m-audio firewire solo interface is less than ideal. I guess I can spend about $500 on it.

thanks

The Apogee Duet is the best way to go in that price range with Logic.........

The 2 Microphone preamps, ALONE are worth the cost. Since your on Mac OS with Logic, this is really the best sounding/most functional interface you'll find for $500. You also get 2 DI inputs, "HP" [headphone] monitoring, and a cool way to toggle or control any one of the 128 MIDI parameters in your DAW. The Encoder does control the microphone preamps and volume control for monitoring, but it can control a Master fader, or a pan pot in Logic. Whatever you'd like it to control can be set up. Even Song position which is also very useful if you hate the mouse for location.

[thiagozt]

So I figured out a way to bypass the interface and monitor the signal directly coming through the HP, but I confess the m-audio software interface is kinda bad. I found a way to do what I wanted tho, thanks to you guys.

Thanks a lot for the tip regarding the Apogee Duet. One thing to be considered tho is that I don't need any pre-amps since I have a VLZ-PRO Mackie and the RNP. That said, is there an interface in the same price range but without preamps that would be worth considering?

thanks guys, this has been really helpful for me

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by thiagozt

So I figured out a way to bypass the interface and monitor the signal directly coming through the HP, but I confess the m-audio software interface is kinda bad. I found a way to do what I wanted tho, thanks to you guys.

Thanks a lot for the tip regarding the Apogee Duet. One thing to be considered tho is that I don't need any pre-amps since I have a VLZ-PRO Mackie and the RNP. That said, is there an interface in the same price range but without preamps that would be worth considering?

thanks guys, this has been really helpful for me

Even if you don't need more preamps, trust me when I say they Duets microphone preamps, are AS GOOD if not BETTER than what you've got. I would suspect that you'll find a reason to use them, for differing the textures your recording a little, but you can certainly BYPASS them and just use your external chain. There is nothing in that price range I would recommend over the Duet for sound quality and features.