Industrial Tips (NIN style?)

[Tibbon]

I'm constantly working on industrial rock stuff, but I was wondering if you any of have tips for making this style of music rock constantly?

I've found that multing drums, and gating one of the mults, then compressing the snot out of it gives interesting effects. Reverb in various places.

[max cooper]

I just got some plugins to beta for Audio Damage and a couple of 'em can make anything sound industrial. Yowwwwwie! Ur gonna want 'em

[Yutaka]

You might want to check out this box from Australia :

http://www.frostwave.com/sonicalienator/

Analogue filter, sample rate dicimator, distortion box.

Not related to the above box, but :

4 bit or less on drums is great. Making a drumloop at 2x the tempo and putting through a distortion pedal, resample it, and bring it down an octave to the normal tempo is a cool effect, too.

[Lectra]

Tibbon: Big NIN fan over here. Do you know when the next record is gonna be released ? Somebody told me it's gonna be real drums (no programming) all over the record from a pretty famous drummer.

[parasitk]

Originally posted by Lectra
Tibbon: Big NIN fan over here. Do you know when the next record is gonna be released ? Somebody told me it's gonna be real drums (no programming) all over the record from a pretty famous drummer.

Dave Grohl is playing drums on some of the album. I'm sure it will have programmed drums too (Reznor also has a sweet modular synth rig for this album).

As for other tips (I make so-called "industrial" music myself) Reznor in the past has made heavy use of Digi's Turbosynth on guitars, particularly the waveshapers. Cycling '74's Pluggo and U&I Software's MetaSynth also have sweet sounding waveshapers.

In general, having many different colors of distortion is always good for making aggressive industrial music.

The Sonic Alienator is an awesome pedal, so is the stuff from Metasonix. I also have a Troubled Variance Noiseswash which is totally sick!

Another thing is if you have synths with audio inputs, run them all into each other! Take a synth and ignore it's filter section, and filter it with another synth. My little Juno-6 will never be the same after running it through the nasty filter on my SIDStation!

Generally just use gear incorrectly. Force them to do things they weren't designed to do. From that point on it's just up to you and your imagination!

//Chris

[Lectra]

Great reply Chris !

Have you got something 2 check out ?
I'love to hear some stuff you're working on




edit: found it !

[excellrec]

In general, having many different colors of distortion is always good for making aggressive industrial music.

I think i've found this to be most true. Izotope's Trash is probly the best plug i've come across myself as far variables.. it really has the industrial sound to.. . I think a bit reduction plug is also neccesary.

Of course you could just find out how the man himself does it.

http://www.9inchnails.com/articles/articles.php?id=7

http://www.9inchnails.com/articles/articles.php?id=6

[Tibbon]

Gotta run my Juno 106 through the Sid tonight.

I've actually been eyeing a Doepher modular setup over the past while. (headed to a job interview right now... if i score the job.. i'll be calling to get a modular system sent within 3 months )

[hostile17]

yes this always one of my favorite topics i like dealay with bit crushers myself

[bnath]

..:


<< Digi's Turbosynth >>

Is there a non pro-tools, native equivalent of this?

b :*

[Tibbon]

Is turbosynth still available? Will it run on modern LE/HD rigs? Or did they foolishly do away with it like SampleCell and Masterlist?

[Mike Tholen]

I used to use Turbosynth alot...I would love to get my hands on the same type of processor.

[parasitk]

Turbosynth runs fine on any pre OS X Mac (although it probably runs in Classic as well). I use it on OS 9.2. It doesn't require any hardware to run.


Lectra: Sorry about not replying before, I missed your question! You can find audio on my website.

[everybody's x]

get a zoom 9030 and an alesis DM-4
and record guitar solos direct though a marshall di out
rhythm guitars are played an octave higher at twice the speed then slowed down for that huge ministry/NIN/manson crunch
hell yeah

[Mike Tholen]

Originally posted by everybody's x

rhythm guitars are played an octave higher at twice the speed then slowed down for that huge ministry crunch

tutt huh? WTF? tutt
I can tell you first hand that Ministry's guitars on their records from "Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" up to "Filth Pig" were NOT AT ALL done using that "Technique"...the guitars during that time period were Gibson SG's, Les Paul's, or the Ibanez "Iceman" through a 50watt Marshall, during "Filth Pig" they toyed around with Mesa rack rigs (Triaxis) and the Rectifier but they didn't sound like "Ministry" so they were dismissed.
The only pedal used was an older ART pedal board but only for it's warbbling flanger used in songs like "Just One Fix" on the high guitar line, other than that the ART pedal board was used for it's volume pedal.
I don't have any idea how their guitars were done for the records after "Filth Pig"
maybe they do them different now...but I doubt it. Al is a creature of habit and he loves his "Flammable" Marshall.

[everybody's x]

well I was generalizing about a particular "sound" and how to get it, not specifically saying that WAS how ministry did it.
I was saying that that is what Flood did to emulate that sound for NIN and my source was a mix intervirew with him, PLEASE FORGIVE MY HORRIBLE TRANSGRESSION

[parasitk]

Originally posted by everybody's x
well I was generalizing about a particular "sound" and how to get it, not specifically saying that WAS how ministry did it.
I was saying that that is what Flood did to emulate that sound for NIN and my source was a mix intervirew with him, PLEASE FORGIVE MY HORRIBLE TRANSGRESSION

HA! No it's cool, because you're referring to this quote from Reznor:

Another thing I'll sometimes do is play the guitars twice as fast as the song's tempo, recording them at 30 ips [inches-per-second] on the multitrack. Then I'll slow it down to 15 ips. I'll play the part an octave high, too, so when I slow it down, it's in the right register and at the right speed. But if you saturate the tape real hard when you record it at 30 ips, it takes on a really clear, thick, warm, and bizarre quality when you slow it down. The guitar on "Suck" [Broken]--which I think is the best guitar sound I've ever gotten--was done that way.

[Yutaka]

Thanks for the idea on the guitar - I gotta try that one. I guess it is worth tryiing on distorted synth bass stuff, too.

[biggator6]

if you dig up some OLD interviews with Trent - he used to do that on all kinds of stuff.. back on Pretty Hate Machine, he was using EMAX samplers, which (like my old Akais) would do all kinds of odd things to sound by just transposing it - then re-transposing it (or stretching/un-stretching the sample)..
it would add all kinds of wierd artifacts to the sound.. I loved that about my S950.

I used to do a lot of industrial, and it was VERY time consuming to create interesting sounds - but of course, that was the fun of it. I've gotten lazy in my old age.
"-)