Sumthang - anyone hear it yet??

[stealthbalance]

i believe this was shown last week at the show. any comments on this box??
seems like the cost effective way to do summing and still have lots of personality with the tubes and transformers inside.
thanks

s

[D'Kowmashev]

Originally posted by stealthbalance
i believe this was shown last week at the show. any comments on this box??
seems like the cost effective way to do summing and still have lots of personality with the tubes and transformers inside.
thanks

s

Hi,

I have had the prototype for over a year and love it. It is as good as you might imagine. I think there are some audio clips of a live cd of Irish music I mixed using the sumthang at www.housetohousemusic.com

[JohnnyTooLoud]

I heard it and it blew me away!

In fact the difference was so great it was hard to believe it was just the summing that was different.

Everything got wider and had more depth to it.

And I'm one of those people that thought summing wasn't a big deal until I heard the Folcrom. Then I thought 'Ok, there may be something to this, that did sound a bit better.'

But with the Sumthang there wasn't any hemming and hawing or doubt about it. It was just so much better.

That was the only product at AES that has me adjusting the budget.

--Giovanni

[MichaelT]

How much does it cost?

[superbee]

Excellent! I was hoping someone would come out with an 8 channel version. Having only 8 ch of D/A has kept me from buying the fulcrom or D2b. Hopefully it will fit into my budget.

When will it be available?

Thanks!
Brian

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by MichaelT
How much does it cost?

I think it's about $2,800 factory direct.

Any chance to demo one of these?

-R

[stef himself]

johnnytooloud> hey man! strange you found everything to get wider with it. i found quite the opposite. mix congealed quite a bit, and center had a lot more 'power' to it.

i suppose it depends when you heard it at AES. i pointed out some probelms with the demo to the inner tube guys (and this was on sunday i think when i stopped by the booth)

turns out they had a short somewhere in the switcher (which was ****ing with the image).

in addition to that the pro-tools session from which they were playing from wasn't setup in a perfectly unbiased fashion. of all the 'engineers' at the show, it suprised me that nobody else caught this (and i don't blame the inner tube dudes, because they were the first to admit they new nothing about 'Alsihad'.

i guess it is all about the hype!

it is a good product however, much higher emulsion factor than found in the folcrum (imho) - though depending on what kind of music you're doing either could be a better choice.

-stef

[Jules]

I enjoyed my brief demo with it.

[De chromium cob]

I dont get it- 8 line ins to stereo, but how do you pan? Or is it just 4 stereo line ins?

[Hiwatt]

I believe it is basicaly four stereo inputs.

[stayne]

the innerTUBE audio Atomic SUMthang is just an 8 in 2 out all TUBE merging device.
4 left and 4 right. transformers in and transformers out.
our AES demo was a laugh because nobody knew how to run the pro tools rig we had borrowed from john porter.
and.......... we were building the switcher AT the show when they started letting people in !!!!!
it was crude but when it worked it showed a huge difference.
??????????????
the 'SUMthang More' is the expander available in 8 and 16 channel packages.
the effect of the SUMthang is very cumulative. more channels more 3D. it gives you
more left to right information.
much more front to back image.
???

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by stayne

the effect of the SUMthang is very cumulative. more channels more 3D. it gives you
more left to right information.
much more front to back image.

I'm curious how to account for that. I mean, in a DAW, if you pan something all the way to one side it's only in that speaker and there's nothing in the other speaker. How much more left and right can you get? Is there some theory behind all this or is it just a case of "listen to this, it sounds great". That's fine, of course, but I was just curious as to what criteria the designers of these boxes use to come up with what they come up with. Is there something about quality tube circuitry, for instance, that can make a sound seem to move outside the speaker?

I also have a question about gain staging. Is there a sweet spot on this box and if so how does it account for the vagaries of setting levels in the DAW?

In any case, I'm anxious to hear this piece, in the perhaps vain hope that I can avoid buying a real analog console.

-R

[stayne]

"is there something about quality tube circuitry, for instance, that can
make a sound seem to move outside the speaker?"

my friend, you have just hit the nail on the head !!!!!!! that's the
magic of well designed vacuum tube circuits !!!!!!!
we call it Psycho Acoustic Voodoo. we use P.A.V. in ALL our products.
and the results are not subtle.
and the other side of the coin is just as extreme. like......why does my
digital mix seem so tiny ????????????
where did the life go ????????
there is just something more organic about the way tubes treat music
than the way transistors do.
i assure you that we at the design end DON'T really design the 3-D
phenomenon in.
it comes for free in the right vacuum tube circuit.
?????????????

[pentajigga]

stayne... any chnace of any other type of connectors besides XLR in?

how about d-sub... so i can go straight from my convertors?

gonna be at tapeOp down here in june?

mucho thanks.

perry

[Henri]

Hello....I own a Korg D32XD workstation. I'm rather new to mixing, as I prefer to think of myself as a song writer/ singer. Is there a way to use this product with my equipment. My budget requires me to wear many hats, and short of mastering, my trio consists of...me, myself, & I. Thanks,
Henri
4A Song Prod.
Reno, NV