seinheizer 421 on kick drums

Jason Poulin · 9th November 2004, 12:03 AM

how are they?

Do they need to be acompanied with another outside mic?

I have 4 coming in this weekend for a session.

thanks

Jason

NathanEldred · 9th November 2004, 12:08 AM

They are decent....I'd give them a B minus on kick. They have a hard sound without a lot of low frequencies (even in "M" mode). Using them only by themselves will very likely require a low frequency boost (subjective of course). And IMO, they don't have nearly the same amout of detail as a good condenser, nor do they take EQ as well.

David R. · 9th November 2004, 12:18 AM

I have always loved them on toms. Never used it on kick but it could be worth a try.

I have heard of people doing this.

Let us know what you think.

Prickstein · 9th November 2004, 12:53 AM

421 is actually my preference on kick. A lot of people find them a bit "basketball" sounding but that's what I like, especially on hard rock/ metal tracks.
But that's just my take, I'm still learning!

cdog · 9th November 2004, 01:12 AM

For me they're great on toms but not beefy enough for a solo kick. It would probably be great used on the beater side with a speaker mic (ns 10, Yamaha sub kick etc.) out in front of the kick.

Its my personal favorite for snare as I like a thick, low mids heavy snare sound that a 57 can't do.

studjo · 9th November 2004, 03:44 PM

I like 'em for old school rock sounds (some kind of Neil Young). I'd take the 421 in the kick and someting for the bass outside the kick.
My set up:
Kick in: 421
Kick out: Royer or At4050 or speaker

Jo

drew · 9th November 2004, 03:51 PM

"hard" is a great description of a 421 on kik. I haven't tried it in a while but I will now. That's one thing I like about these forums, they remind me to shake things up now and again.
drew

Jason Poulin · 9th November 2004, 04:00 PM

thanks for the replies,

I have a U99 or the TLM 103 that can team up with it.

Jason

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9th November 2004, 12:03 AM	#1
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,686	seinheizer 421 on kick drums how are they? Do they need to be acompanied with another outside mic? I have 4 coming in this weekend for a session. thanks Jason __________________ most important gear I own are my ears! visit my band www.apparatusmusic.com www.myspace.com/apparatusnumetal

9th November 2004, 12:08 AM	#2
NathanEldred Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Central Florida Posts: 5,462	They are decent....I'd give them a B minus on kick. They have a hard sound without a lot of low frequencies (even in "M" mode). Using them only by themselves will very likely require a low frequency boost (subjective of course). And IMO, they don't have nearly the same amout of detail as a good condenser, nor do they take EQ as well. __________________ Nathan Eldred Atlas Pro Audio- Boutique Gear, Consultation, Sales, & Distibution Home of the Atlas Juggernaut Preamp & 500 Series Revolver Rack USA Distributor for Buzz Audio Exclusive Worldwide Distributor for Atlas Pro Audio Gear, Old School Audio (OSA), and Burgin McDaniel Design Atlas Recording Studios, Inc. Recording/Mixing/Mastering Services

9th November 2004, 12:18 AM	#3
David R. Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Left Coast, and don't call it 'Frisco Posts: 1,594	I have always loved them on toms. Never used it on kick but it could be worth a try. I have heard of people doing this. Let us know what you think. __________________ -David R. "An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way." - C. Bukowski

9th November 2004, 03:51 PM	#7
drew Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland,USA Posts: 2,422	"hard" is a great description of a 421 on kik. I haven't tried it in a while but I will now. That's one thing I like about these forums, they remind me to shake things up now and again. drew __________________ Drew Mazurek Artist Direct Page Mixing ITB? Just because you're not good at it, doesn't mean it sucks.

9th November 2004, 12:53 AM	#4
Prickstein Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 438	421 is actually my preference on kick. A lot of people find them a bit "basketball" sounding but that's what I like, especially on hard rock/ metal tracks. But that's just my take, I'm still learning!

9th November 2004, 01:12 AM	#5
cdog Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,219	For me they're great on toms but not beefy enough for a solo kick. It would probably be great used on the beater side with a speaker mic (ns 10, Yamaha sub kick etc.) out in front of the kick. Its my personal favorite for snare as I like a thick, low mids heavy snare sound that a 57 can't do.

9th November 2004, 03:44 PM	#6
studjo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,907	I like 'em for old school rock sounds (some kind of Neil Young). I'd take the 421 in the kick and someting for the bass outside the kick. My set up: Kick in: 421 Kick out: Royer or At4050 or speaker Jo

9th November 2004, 04:00 PM	#8
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,686	thanks for the replies, I have a U99 or the TLM 103 that can team up with it. Jason __________________ most important gear I own are my ears! visit my band www.apparatusmusic.com www.myspace.com/apparatusnumetal

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