which is mixed ITB?

[frist44]

Can anyone tell which version of the same song was mixed in the box?

[frist44]

I did my best to try and mix similar, but obviously it doesn't always come out perfect.

[Jose Mrochek]

I like how B sounds better, for some reason i find things more glued together. Does that mean this one is NOT in the box ? I'm listenin in laptop spekears by the way. So don't take my word for it.

[alphajerk]

i dont think it matters.

[frist44]

maybe not to you...just wondering if people preferred one to other. I'm looking to maybe move entirely in the box. So while it probably doesn't seem like a big deal to you, several thousand dollars put back into other things in my setup seems pretty important to me.

[kittonian]

Track B sounds world's better than track A. Things are not as separated, the bass is much better, there's more low end on the guitars. The only thing is the drums don't seem to punch through as well. I'm curious to know which is which.

[alphajerk]

Originally posted by frist44
maybe not to you...just wondering if people preferred one to other. I'm looking to maybe move entirely in the box. So while it probably doesn't seem like a big deal to you, several thousand dollars put back into other things in my setup seems pretty important to me.

go for it. my opinion was it was insignificant to bother one way or another [not taking one side over the other]. if you want to go ITB, do it. i think no one [general listening public] will ever be the wiser, notice, or care.

personally, i totally dig ITB. instant recall is the shit.

[frist44]

Originally posted by alphajerk
instant recall is the shit. [/b]

I agree, and that's partly what got me thinking. My reasoning for posting the clips was basically to see if it was possible to approach the quality of mixes I've done outside the box. I'm starting to realize that mixing through a console will only benefit with a console and converters that are above my level financially anyway, so why not go in the box and take full advantage of the recall and automation.

[Jose Mrochek]

Originally posted by frist44
only benefit with a console and converters that are above my level financially anyway, .

I think you answered your question there. And now will you tell us which one is ITB ?

[alphajerk]

and what console you used ;)

[latweek]

i intentionally only listened to about 1 sec of each.

A was ITB.

was this correct?

[frist44]

Nuendo was used. The console is a Soundcraft 600 with hd24xr as conversion both in and out.

I'm hoping to get a few more answers, so i'll let the cat outta the bag in due time.

[Henchman]

I'll have to disagree.
I don't think there's a world of difference. However, there's a midrange thing in the snare I don't like on mix B. I would lean towards mix B being ITB becasue of that reason.

However, this does not mean I don't think ITB mixing cannot be better sounding.
Now that i have a couple of UAD cards, the mixes I am getting ITB are really good. I was not able to get the ty[e of compression I was looking for uign other plug-ins. And I've used alot of them.

One client I'm mixing 2 songs for has worked at Realworld and various other big studio's, and is very happy with the mixes I've done with nuendo.

[Saucyjack]

Interesting.
I'll play...

I prefer B.
Seems rounder and more low end girth.Maybe more front to back depth but it's hard to tell on computer speakers.

A doesn't suck though.
I think it "jumps out" a bit more and seems to have a bit more aggressive/?brittle? high end.I could live with it, esp. with a touch more low end

Nice job on the mix BTW.
I'm curious to know which was which.

[Stargazer]

I like B best.
But it's hard to tell since the low end is totally different.
I'm listening through my computer outputs at the moment...

[quadwould]

I prefer B to A.

the midrange thing with the snare.. i find that alot of people inexperienced in analog mixing have midrange problems in their snare. but aside from that.. i think B is a console mix because it seems to "glue" together well

A is ITB.. the panning is just like a DAW, very specific in where you tell it to be.. not good imaging.

[preben]

I prefer B as well. More depth and weight to the drums in particular. More glue... so basically what everyone else said.

[PapillonIrl]

B...

The mixes seem pretty different tonally to me though, low end and 10k upwards cymbal stuff...

[merlin17]

I like A better, mostly because I don´t like the boominess of the bassdrum in B.
To me there´s some different EQ things happening in the mixes, and the differences need not show the difference between ITB and console.

Peter

[frist44]

Originally posted by merlin17
I like A better, mostly because I don´t like the boominess of the bassdrum in B.
To me there´s some different EQ things happening in the mixes, and the differences need not show the difference between ITB and console.

Peter

The EQ is definitely different between mixes. I came back and revisited this song. So the things I found I didn't like about it the first time, I guess I tried to change on the next go around. These are all great comments though.

Sounds like some people simply prefer the qualities of one to the other. Not as much as one is definitely better then the other, is this true?

Brandon

[frist44]

One other thing...

The console obviously gives me the ability to use outboard gear, of which I have a distressor, some 160x's, and some outboard reverb that I like. With the release of Nuendo 3.0, they claim to be able to mix ITB with outboard gear fully compensated. This could be the final thing needed to get me to convert totally.

Do think a lot of people will abandon mixing through a console when this feature reaches all software packages?

Brandon

[merlin17]

So which is ITB? ;-)

Peter

[PapillonIrl]

Originally posted by frist44
One other thing...

The console obviously gives me the ability to use outboard gear, of which I have a distressor, some 160x's, and some outboard reverb that I like. With the release of Nuendo 3.0, they claim to be able to mix ITB with outboard gear fully compensated. This could be the final thing needed to get me to convert totally.

Do think a lot of people will abandon mixing through a console when this feature reaches all software packages?

Brandon

Yep. I will anway...still waiting to see if Samplitude 8.x will/does have this feature though...I'm on 7.22.

[PapillonIrl]

Please spill the beans ?

It's B innit...



Innit ?

[vudoo]

I definitely prefer Mix A...i bet mix B was done ITB...then again, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter since you should choose the tool that works for you.

[djui5]

Personally I think A was mixed in the box..............before reading the thread I came up with that assumption.......

What console was the OTB one mixed on?


BTW...Mix A sounds great....

[dntknowsht]

I think A is ITB... Now, spit it out already.

[preben]

Having listened again: overall I prefer B, although A has got a nice 'precision-thing' going on. I think A is ITB. But we really want to know now... no, really....

[faeflora]

What's the point of this??

The mixes are very different so this comparison is bullshit.

[jlotto]

The mixes are different.