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1st November 2004, 01:53 AM
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|  Powercore I'm considering getting a powercore card to join the UAD-1 under the hood, but have a query regarding the PCI version vs the firewire model. Are all additional 3rd party plugs, ie Sony, Virus, available for the firewire version? Also, are there any issues with reliability using firewire? I'm a bit skeptical of firewire back from the MOTU days... Cheers. |
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1st November 2004, 02:08 AM
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| The Powercore Firewire version will use 30-40% of your CPU for the firewire bus when maxing out the card. PCI card uses 3-4& percent...... Why do people get the Firewire version?? |
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1st November 2004, 02:10 AM
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| Firewire = double the processing power and i for portable setups, this is the only way to go really. hmmm... 30-40% dont like that figure.... |
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3rd November 2004, 05:50 AM
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3rd November 2004, 08:01 AM
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| Mr T yes, they are all available on the firewire platform. And to my knowledge, it is stable on firewire. I'd love to hear more from Blackcom regarding his comments. What probs did you have with MOTU on firewire? I've never had anything go wrong personally
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3rd November 2004, 09:32 AM
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| Had a MOTU 896 which performed fairly well but occ. glitches and crackles....... firewire card was as per MOTUs recommended list. The firewire option looks like a great deal - double the power for not a lot more than the powercore plus model, add also the fact that it doesnt take up a PCI slot and you're probably only ever gonna need one, leaving the PCIs free for UAD cards!! BUt if it takes that much of a hit on your CPU...... |
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3rd November 2004, 09:34 AM
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| BTW - what's the best street price on both the powercore firewire and element? |
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3rd November 2004, 01:06 PM
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| I've been using a Powercore with a powerbook and while it was a 'learning experience' as an early adopter...I seem to have it stable now.... My way of using it is : * If on a powerbook and using other firewire gear(i.e. soundcard/drives) then definitely get a PCMCIA to firewire convertor for your laptop to give you another firewire port. It's a fact that the single powerbook port maxes out when there are powercores, f/w drives and powercores in the equation. I was getting crackles and crashes before using the PCMCIA port as an extra f/w bus. *Ensure you have the latest version of Quicktime * The limiter is wonderful -takes no space and makes a subtle but worthwhile difference....to almost all tracks I've found. The other plugs are great too - I have the voice modeller (optional)and it really rocks. So does the Sony Oxford EQ. Check out the demo of 'Character too. * 30-40% of your machines CPU?.....not in my experience.... around 10-15% but worth it |
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3rd November 2004, 03:26 PM
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| Hi Entropy, I have a PoCo FW and a PoCo pci and with both maxed out I *roughly* get a 10-15% load on my cpu (dual 2gig G5). I would buy the FW again in a heartbeat - and might actually get another one - those Sony plugs although unassumingly uninpressive and boring (not a lot of WOW factor here and they don't look anything like anything vintage hardware) are very addictive... |
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4th November 2004, 04:31 AM
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| Thanx preben. That is pretty much what I've heard from other users. But when blackcom posted his 30-40%, it started alarm bells ringing. The fact he has posted nothing to support his opinion and no one else has backed up his claim leads me to believe he is: a) a numpty b) a troll Anyway, I'm ging to take the plunge
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6th November 2004, 07:21 PM
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 eI got that figure from trying on my own AMD based PC. Borrowed a FW and a PCI from my local store to test out... Anywayz...here's my thread on the Powercore forum: http://www.powercore.noheaven.com/viewtopic.php?t=562 Seems as DUAL CPU systems runs FW better... I'm actually thinking on upgrading to a AMD64 939 soon to run the FW cause I just tested the Oxford bundle out, and it freakin rocks....specially on drums...... | |
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6th November 2004, 08:36 PM
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| How hard do the Oxford plugins hit the Powercore DSP? I'd love to add these plugs to my setup soon. TIA guru007 |
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7th November 2004, 06:03 AM
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| Thanx for the response blackcom. I will whole-heartedly withdraw my accusations!!!! When I recieve mine, I will do the same tests on my Mac and see what comes up. Yours with skepticism. 
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7th November 2004, 07:04 PM
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| I recently had a power compact for use on my powerbook g4 1.33ghz. In my experience it DOES take up 30-40% of the power to use all the plugins. If you use all compressors for example, you can get fit alot on the actual powercore (something like 15% per compressor), but every compressor plug takes up like 5% of your main CPU on the powerbook. You can have a mix using only powercore plugins with no native plugins running and your cpu is running at 30-40% already! And logic starts to get pretty slow on the GUI side when your CPU level is half way. I did the buffer thing they suggested so it was optimized etc.. I just dont think it's totally practical for a full mixing experience considering how much it costs. And since I got Logic 7 I dont know how useful the powercore actually is. The best plugins are the compressor/limiter, the master x and the reverb. But space designer covers me now (with no latency) and eq sat isnt better than logics eq so its only the compressor that was worthwhile. Maybe on a PCI its better, but that was my experience on a powerbook. |
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7th November 2004, 07:25 PM
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| The Oxford demos are CPU hog on purpouse to prevent piracy.. The retail versions are suposed to be better.... I think perhaps maybe a 64-bit PCI Firewire card would run the Powercore Firewire more efficient...i've been hearing roumers.... that's why i'm planning on an nForce4 based setup, beacause of the PCIe standard.... According to TC, the PoCoFiWi runs alot better on mac. I 'could' go with the Element, but it's maxed out A LOT easier then the Firewire....so I dunno yet... Things that "might" run the PocoFW better: -a mac (too bad if you're on PC, like I am...) -a 64-bit PCIe Firewire card -a dual CPU system. Hey entropy, does macs have 64-bit PCI? |
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13th November 2004, 08:47 PM
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| I've been reading your posts here: I'm on a single chip desktop G4 1.47gHz. I too am worried that maxing out the Powercore Compact alone would rake up 40% of my CPU. Perhaps element is the way to go, but the Compact is, i would say, significantly more processing savvy than Element. Anyone know where i can find # of instances of Sony Oxford EQ possible on Element Vs. Compact? |
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8th March 2005, 12:07 AM
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| Where did you read about 64bit pci firewire card? (which one is recommended) i have nforce 4 based system (Athlon64 3500+) and i'm interested in the poco fiwi.. Will it really take up that much cpu? Quote:
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8th March 2005, 01:42 AM
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| Oh, I meant running a 64-bit PCI firewire kontroller in a 64-bit PCI slot for the Powercore Firewire rack.. I''ve heard of no Powercore PCIe....yet..... |
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8th March 2005, 02:04 AM
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| I heard a while back that there was a problem when using the Powercore FW with a Dual 2.5 Mac that has a UAD-1 installed. Does anyone know of this issue? If so do you know if it's been resolved. Thanks, Bill. |
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8th March 2005, 02:28 AM
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| Alot of the pain in using the powercore is the firewire bus throughput ...well for me anyway..... my portable setup is a 1gig powerbook with one single firewire400 port...splitters are no use cos it's still one bus...my problem was that I had an audio card and three f/w drives on that bus...... ... cue much pain... dedicated firewire buses should help throughput....I'm sure the computer labours when trying to juggle data through too few firewire ports - hence the thrashing and CPU overhead... I got a an extra firewire bus via a PCMIA convertor and now I can easily run the following from Logic (from memory) - 7-12 limiters - 2 Eq's - voicemodelling (takes up one DSP) - voice strip (30% of a DSP) - MegaReverb (or whatever it's called) - a few other things like character etc. After that I'm groaning - however this is on a laptop that needs a cleanup and overhaul and is also connected to sometimes three firewire hard-disks. I'd still rather have a dedicated bus for the powercore. The PCI version doesn't have as much grunt as the firewire version (I think) but I'm not sure. For a desktop machine I would definitely get more firewire ports...oops BUSES... fitted as a matter of course - I think that's what alot of the desktop users are doing. I love the sound of the thing... check the computer forum there are a couple of good threads there |
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8th March 2005, 06:53 AM
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| I have a firewire Powercore and though I think it is very good sounding, it eats cpu processing like a hog. TC says it will "spare your processor"...yeah right! I have a G5 Dual 2 GHZ and that thing slams even that processor. But besides that I do think it is quite useful.
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8th March 2005, 08:29 PM
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| Also remember, the Sony Oxford plugs are locked to a specific board I.D. You cannot license transfer (at least from what I gathered) from board to board. You can transfer other TC plugins from PCI to FW and vice versa i.e. Master X5, Assimilator, etc. Keep this in mind should you decide a future system upgrade and compatibility with PCI slots....should you go that way. |
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8th March 2005, 11:36 PM
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| I just got the powercore pci, so far I totally dig it. I am using it on a dual 1.25 G4 in DP4 and with it and the native stuff I get more than enough dsp. The sound quality is very good, the oxford eq reminds me alot of the one in the dmxr100 console. The verbs are nice too. Reed |
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9th March 2005, 02:37 PM
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but where did you read about that? this seems to be a good device > http://www.adstech.com/products/API3...asp?pid=API311 cheers | |
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