Connectivity Check - ITB/OTB mix system with Trak2

drongo · 29th October 2004, 01:42 PM

Hi there,

My solution to fixing the crappy sound of my ITB mixes (with a budget of 6-7K Euros) is to buy :

* Apogee Trak2 with 8 D/A extension
* Dangerous 2Bus LT

using with MOTU 896 (as a dumb firewire card) and a powerbook. The principal is that the MOTU does NO conversion and acts as a thru.

Can anyone confirm I haven't fekked up ... the connectivity I expect to use is :

MIXING
---------
*Logic/Powerbook - > MOTU896 (via firewire)
*MOTU896 -> Trak2 (via firewire?)
*Trak2 8 XLR's from 8 D/A card -> Dangerous 2Bus LT XLR in's
*Dangerous 2Bus Master Outs XLR -> XLR In's of Trak2
* 2Trak -> MOTU (via firewire?)
* MOTU - > Logic Powerbook (via firewire)

The Trak2 will be the clock during all of this.....

Mmmm - I wish I could see a pic of the 8 D/A conversion card for the Trak2 on the website...does it really add 8 XLR's outs to the Trak2??

Can the Trak2 do the job of routing the 8 channels of audio out AND recording the input mix via the Dangerous2Bus??

I'm getting less sure now I've typed that list up - explicit yes and no replies most happily recieved...erm....unless it's no all the way.

If it's not possible then altenate suggestions within my budget appreciated.

Many thanks
Anthony

RinnyTin · 29th October 2004, 04:03 PM

Don't know about prices in Europe, but it seems to me it would be cheaper and less complicated to get a Rosetta 800 with a Firewire card, dump the MOTU box altogether. I believe that'll give you more I/O with less BS for less money.

BTW the inputs on the D2B are DB25, not XLR, so you can get from the Rosetta into the D2B without XLR fans, unless you're going to add outboard gear between the converters and the Dangerous.

heinz · 29th October 2004, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drongo
Mmmm - I wish I could see a pic of the 8 D/A conversion card for the Trak2 on the website...does it really add 8 XLR's outs to the Trak2??

Can the Trak2 do the job of routing the 8 channels of audio out AND recording the input mix via the Dangerous2Bus??

1) Trak2 has DB25 output from the DA8 card, 8 channels

2) Yes, you should be able to route 8 out, 2 in.

RinnyTin · 29th October 2004, 06:11 PM

And then monitor off the Digi 001? You'd better save 2 outputs for your monitors or get the Benchmark or something for monitoring, it's worth it for the volume knob alone. Your monitor D/A is more important than stemming out to the D2B IMO. Digi 001 is so poopy. How are you supposed to mix when the volume pot changes the stereo image at every point? Hate that thing.

drongo · 29th October 2004, 09:19 PM

thanks for posting guys..

Using a laptop and MOTU - so no PCI option and Rosetta800 (Don't want to do Magma breakout- too expensive for what it is)

My choice of Trak2 was cos I've got no good preamp and wanted to kill two birds with one stone there...simple is good for me!

thanks re: the DB25 loom replacement thingy - don't need outboard between trak2 and D2B

monitoring is the achilles heel I think....I have genelecs 1030A - could they be fed from the D2B master outs and then when mix is sweet rereoute the D2B master outs to the Trak2 for a 'silent' DAW capture

Is that a goer?

Thanks again...
Anthony

heinz · 29th October 2004, 09:39 PM

The D2B has two sets of outputs, one for monitors and one for mains, so that works out nicely.

RinnyTin · 29th October 2004, 11:02 PM

Won't the Rosetta 800 with a firewire card (in the Rosetta) talk directly to your laptop?

http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/xcards.php

The card goes in the Rosetta, not in your computer.

But if you need the pres, I get it.

You can monitor off the db2 outputs as long as you don't mind 140db at all times.

Sorry, don't know why I thought you said you had a digi 001, but regardless, you're going to need some sort of monitoring deal.

drongo · 30th October 2004, 05:58 PM

RinnyTin - you're right - no PCI needed....thanks..I'd love to have the cash to splash on the Rosetta800 aswell but not until some hits start coming!

RE: monitors - the Genelecs have volume control on them...hopefully it will knock back the whoomfff....or will it?

Just like to say this board rocks the house..I've been searching all over it in the past month....wish I'd found it sooner....nice to have strong educated comments and opinions...other boards seem to be filled with spotty geeks who own a games machine and a copy of Reason....

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29th October 2004, 01:42 PM	#1
drongo Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 89	Connectivity Check - ITB/OTB mix system with Trak2 Hi there, My solution to fixing the crappy sound of my ITB mixes (with a budget of 6-7K Euros) is to buy : * Apogee Trak2 with 8 D/A extension * Dangerous 2Bus LT using with MOTU 896 (as a dumb firewire card) and a powerbook. The principal is that the MOTU does NO conversion and acts as a thru. Can anyone confirm I haven't fekked up ... the connectivity I expect to use is : MIXING --------- Logic/Powerbook - > MOTU896 (via firewire) MOTU896 -> Trak2 (via firewire?) Trak2 8 XLR's from 8 D/A card -> Dangerous 2Bus LT XLR in's Dangerous 2Bus Master Outs XLR -> XLR In's of Trak2 * 2Trak -> MOTU (via firewire?) * MOTU - > Logic Powerbook (via firewire) The Trak2 will be the clock during all of this..... Mmmm - I wish I could see a pic of the 8 D/A conversion card for the Trak2 on the website...does it really add 8 XLR's outs to the Trak2?? Can the Trak2 do the job of routing the 8 channels of audio out AND recording the input mix via the Dangerous2Bus?? I'm getting less sure now I've typed that list up - explicit yes and no replies most happily recieved...erm....unless it's no all the way. If it's not possible then altenate suggestions within my budget appreciated. Many thanks Anthony

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29th October 2004, 04:03 PM	#2
RinnyTin Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 157	Don't know about prices in Europe, but it seems to me it would be cheaper and less complicated to get a Rosetta 800 with a Firewire card, dump the MOTU box altogether. I believe that'll give you more I/O with less BS for less money. BTW the inputs on the D2B are DB25, not XLR, so you can get from the Rosetta into the D2B without XLR fans, unless you're going to add outboard gear between the converters and the Dangerous.

29th October 2004, 06:11 PM	#4
RinnyTin Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 157	And then monitor off the Digi 001? You'd better save 2 outputs for your monitors or get the Benchmark or something for monitoring, it's worth it for the volume knob alone. Your monitor D/A is more important than stemming out to the D2B IMO. Digi 001 is so poopy. How are you supposed to mix when the volume pot changes the stereo image at every point? Hate that thing.

29th October 2004, 09:19 PM	#5
drongo Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 89	thanks for posting guys.. Using a laptop and MOTU - so no PCI option and Rosetta800 (Don't want to do Magma breakout- too expensive for what it is) My choice of Trak2 was cos I've got no good preamp and wanted to kill two birds with one stone there...simple is good for me! thanks re: the DB25 loom replacement thingy - don't need outboard between trak2 and D2B monitoring is the achilles heel I think....I have genelecs 1030A - could they be fed from the D2B master outs and then when mix is sweet rereoute the D2B master outs to the Trak2 for a 'silent' DAW capture Is that a goer? Thanks again... Anthony

29th October 2004, 09:39 PM	#6
heinz Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 1,011	The D2B has two sets of outputs, one for monitors and one for mains, so that works out nicely.

29th October 2004, 11:02 PM	#7
RinnyTin Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 157	Won't the Rosetta 800 with a firewire card (in the Rosetta) talk directly to your laptop? http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/xcards.php The card goes in the Rosetta, not in your computer. But if you need the pres, I get it. You can monitor off the db2 outputs as long as you don't mind 140db at all times. Sorry, don't know why I thought you said you had a digi 001, but regardless, you're going to need some sort of monitoring deal.

30th October 2004, 05:58 PM	#8
drongo Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 89	RinnyTin - you're right - no PCI needed....thanks..I'd love to have the cash to splash on the Rosetta800 aswell but not until some hits start coming! RE: monitors - the Genelecs have volume control on them...hopefully it will knock back the whoomfff....or will it? Just like to say this board rocks the house..I've been searching all over it in the past month....wish I'd found it sooner....nice to have strong educated comments and opinions...other boards seem to be filled with spotty geeks who own a games machine and a copy of Reason....