Mic techniques for recording Heavy guitar tone

[brendondp]

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[gko]

Originally posted by LTA
You can get past the low end buildup by using open back-style cabs. A bit sacriligious if you think the only way to big heavy guitar sounds come only from a sealed back 4x12, but it works .

Rammstein uses open 4x12 cabs live

[Tim L]

Originally posted by Gregg Sartiano
... How do you split the signal coming out of the guitar?...

The splitter on the Little Labs STD is most excellent!

[Gregg Sartiano]

Originally posted by Tim L
The splitter on the Little Labs STD is most excellent!

I dunno if I want an STD, even if it is from Little Labs.

[hethaerto]

I think I'm the only person I know that does this:
I use a cabinet I built several years ago. I run two 10" Madison bass guitar speakers. The cab has no covering for the speakers.
I place a 57 perpindicular to the surface of the driver on the outboard center. I place the 57 as close to the driver as I can without touching while the driver is driving.
I get the tone I want with very small angle and distance adjustments.
Guys that place their mics outside the grill are losing out. Plus, with this ultra-close miking technique, not much volume is needed.
Allen fuuck

[toledo3]

Ugh, miking the driver straight on can be a pretty crass sound without much bass, but that could be exactly what is called for....

A good rule of thumb is that the closer you get to the very edge of the speaker, the more bass response. No right or wrong, obviously.

BTW, a sealed cab will not have as much apparent bass...

[hethaerto]

Originally posted by toledo3
Ugh, miking the driver straight on can be a pretty crass sound without much bass, but that could be exactly what is called for....

A good rule of thumb is that the closer you get to the very edge of the speaker, the more bass response. No right or wrong, obviously.

BTW, a sealed cab will not have as much apparent bass...

No No! I'm not talking about pointing the mic straight at the center of the cone. That sounds horrible!
I point the mic at the driver, not the dust cover.
Allen

[Tim L]

Originally posted by Gregg Sartiano
I dunno if I want an STD, even if it is from Little Labs.

Welp, no pain... no gain! (pun intended ) Sometimes you gotta suffer for your art...

[maskedman72]

ok so now that we have a bit on the mics and where to put them,what about getting the phase correct......

we will use this situation so we are all on the same page.

you have 1 4x12 cab and its close mic'd up with these 2 mics;1 sm57 and 1 md421.


there is no ibp either. all you have are 2 mics into 2 pres.

how do you go about getting these in the best phase relation?

i have heard of people talking about moving mics around until the "hiss" drops out.

can someone explain how to do this?

i have also heard people say that as long as the 2 mics are close up on the grill,you need not worry about phase.


are there other methods?

[crille]

Does somebody know how they have miked on Killswitch Engage's "As Daylight Dies?", the guitar sound is ****ing perfect there.

[tamakid1292]

i have a beta also and if u put that on the cab u get this very low end sound and it gets alot of the crunch try it out

[maskedman72]

my latest trick for heavy gtr is the fractal audio axe-fx. this thing just kills.

[Robbiehouston]

I use a reamp box to pump white noise through the amp. I start with the mic that is in place already. I put the other mic out of phase using the preamp phase invert switch or I use a plugin with a phase invert button. I then turn my headphones up louder than the amp(this part can be done with the amp at low volume) next I move the second mic back and forth until I find the spot with the greatest drop out that I can hear. then I will rock the Mic foreword and backward slightly to make sure that a small movement gets slightly more level and then there it is. I have found the spot where the signals are most out of phase. Flip the phase switch back to normal and the mics are in phase. You can also do this while the guitar player is playing something consistant if you don't have a reamp box. Record a bit and use a plugin to flip the phase in and out to check to see that in phase signals combine to be significantly louder than they are when one is out of phase. It should be about 6 db difference.

[Chris]

Mic it until it sounds right.

[fastlanestoner]

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