any AE know how these classics were engineered ??

manning1 · 20th September 2004, 01:35 AM

i love the following in my collection...
frampton comes alive (truly great album)
cheap trick hits
the kinks first hits
stones first hits
dire straits first album
guess who hits
first who hits
plus
a song done by the poges i think it was called "your the one"
would love to know any details like consoles, mics used,
other gear used.
if jules reads this - hey jules how about a monthly article
on how a major song was engineered.
i KNOW i would find that very interesting and sure others
would too including many newbies who always ask me these things.
just an idea.

remo · 20th September 2004, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by manning1

dire straits first album

sorry, just had to do it!

I did hear their last studio album "On Every Street" was mixed on an EMI TG12345 or something similar. Very smooth album (it didn't get great reviews but I love it).

manning1 · 20th September 2004, 11:01 AM

thnx remo.
i heard dires first album (sultans etc ) was done in an inexpensive
studio in the uk. he makes a comment "south of the river...etc"
which leads me to suspect that it might have been a studio south of the thames in london.
all these high end AE's on this bbs and so few details.
maybe they are too young.

Dangerous Dave · 20th September 2004, 11:07 AM

Ermmm..... NO......

I think you'll find it well be the river tyne as MK is from my neck of the woods, hence the mention of "spanish city" and Cullercoats in a certain song.

Peace

DD

manning1 · 20th September 2004, 01:49 PM

well thanks dave. thats excellent. what are cullercoats ?
so you think the first dire straits album was done in the north of UK ? i loved the other side of that first album.
learnt every chord change on it. mk is a truly great guitarist imho.

remo · 20th September 2004, 02:13 PM

totallly agree manning1, actually its thats 1st DS album that got me playing guitar in the first palce, got me into music! I can still (sort of) play most of the guitar on the first two albums and lots of the rest.. Mark is definitly at the top of my list of guitar players, I can listen to those first two albums over and over and over and...

is this Cullercoats? Looks nice!

http://www.cullercoats.org.uk/

manning1 · 20th September 2004, 04:16 PM

notice the use that mk makes of minor chords.
i like on the b side remo.
lets go down to the waterline , and the following songs including the blade knife song. on this latter song i used to spend hours playing new guitar jam solos over the top of it.
great for just jamming to !!
but on sultans of swing right at the end i can never speed play at his speed those last exit riffs. where he is using "pull offs " i surmise. i'm just not fast enough !
imho they never recaptured the "feel" of that first album.
any idea what mk played on it ?
maybe a strat thru what ?
i did hear - once again correct me if i'm wrong that he used a 2 inch 16 track.
thnx for the cullercoats link.

Dangerous Dave · 20th September 2004, 04:20 PM

Hi Manning...

Cullercoats is indeed a place, along with Spanish City (a local fairground attraction where MK used to "hang", sadly it's now no more than deserted wasteground).

Agreed he is up there with the the greats, and he has written some amazing tunes, some little known such as "Private Dancer" by Tina Turner.

I could go on and on...

Suffice to say, Mark is a "Geordie" through and through, look up the word and see what you find.

Peace

DD

manning1 · 21st September 2004, 12:18 AM

dave - very interesting. shame about that wasteland.
he should have written a song called "life in the wasteland".
prolly already used.
i often wonder how mk got that guitar sound on money for nothing.
sounded like he might have used some sort of midi synth maybe.
its a shame so little info is available on how major songs were engineered that i listed. prolly the ae's retired !

remo · 21st September 2004, 02:17 AM

just some stuff...

The first album was produced by a dude called Muff Winwood.
Brothers In Arms was produced by Neil Dorfsman.

The "money for nothing" guitar tone was a Les Paul through a wah left at a single position more as an EQ.

I also read the engineer on Brothers In Arms was really unhappy about the "out of phase" guitar sound on the title track "Brothers In Arms" but Mark pushed it through.

also find some good links on MK here: there is a link about his guitar and setup in there that it really informative!

http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa022001a.htm

manning1 · 21st September 2004, 12:08 PM

thnx remo.
i wonder if muff winwood is any relation to stevie winwood ?

max cooper · 13th October 2004, 11:43 AM

Muff was Steve's bro. Was a producer for quite a while, but the main thing I remember is that he was in A&R at CBS for a long time. He signed some pretty big '80's bands. Sade and the Psychedelic Furs and I'm sure a lot more.

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20th September 2004, 01:35 AM	#1
manning1 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada Posts: 3,192	any AE know how these classics were engineered ?? i love the following in my collection... frampton comes alive (truly great album) cheap trick hits the kinks first hits stones first hits dire straits first album guess who hits first who hits plus a song done by the poges i think it was called "your the one" would love to know any details like consoles, mics used, other gear used. if jules reads this - hey jules how about a monthly article on how a major song was engineered. i KNOW i would find that very interesting and sure others would too including many newbies who always ask me these things. just an idea.

20th September 2004, 11:07 AM	#4
Dangerous Dave Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: UK, North East Posts: 569	Ermmm..... NO...... I think you'll find it well be the river tyne as MK is from my neck of the woods, hence the mention of "spanish city" and Cullercoats in a certain song. Peace DD __________________ Hey, I started off with nothing and I still have plenty left... http://www.blast-recording.com http://www.myspace.com/blast_recording

20th September 2004, 04:20 PM	#8
Dangerous Dave Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: UK, North East Posts: 569	Hi Manning... Cullercoats is indeed a place, along with Spanish City (a local fairground attraction where MK used to "hang", sadly it's now no more than deserted wasteground). Agreed he is up there with the the greats, and he has written some amazing tunes, some little known such as "Private Dancer" by Tina Turner. I could go on and on... Suffice to say, Mark is a "Geordie" through and through, look up the word and see what you find. Peace DD __________________ Hey, I started off with nothing and I still have plenty left... http://www.blast-recording.com http://www.myspace.com/blast_recording

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20th September 2004, 11:01 AM	#3
manning1 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada Posts: 3,192	thnx remo. i heard dires first album (sultans etc ) was done in an inexpensive studio in the uk. he makes a comment "south of the river...etc" which leads me to suspect that it might have been a studio south of the thames in london. all these high end AE's on this bbs and so few details. maybe they are too young.

20th September 2004, 01:49 PM	#5
manning1 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada Posts: 3,192	well thanks dave. thats excellent. what are cullercoats ? so you think the first dire straits album was done in the north of UK ? i loved the other side of that first album. learnt every chord change on it. mk is a truly great guitarist imho.

20th September 2004, 02:13 PM	#6
remo Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 413	totallly agree manning1, actually its thats 1st DS album that got me playing guitar in the first palce, got me into music! I can still (sort of) play most of the guitar on the first two albums and lots of the rest.. Mark is definitly at the top of my list of guitar players, I can listen to those first two albums over and over and over and... is this Cullercoats? Looks nice! http://www.cullercoats.org.uk/

20th September 2004, 04:16 PM	#7
manning1 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada Posts: 3,192	notice the use that mk makes of minor chords. i like on the b side remo. lets go down to the waterline , and the following songs including the blade knife song. on this latter song i used to spend hours playing new guitar jam solos over the top of it. great for just jamming to !! but on sultans of swing right at the end i can never speed play at his speed those last exit riffs. where he is using "pull offs " i surmise. i'm just not fast enough ! imho they never recaptured the "feel" of that first album. any idea what mk played on it ? maybe a strat thru what ? i did hear - once again correct me if i'm wrong that he used a 2 inch 16 track. thnx for the cullercoats link.

21st September 2004, 12:18 AM	#9
manning1 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada Posts: 3,192	dave - very interesting. shame about that wasteland. he should have written a song called "life in the wasteland". prolly already used. i often wonder how mk got that guitar sound on money for nothing. sounded like he might have used some sort of midi synth maybe. its a shame so little info is available on how major songs were engineered that i listed. prolly the ae's retired !

21st September 2004, 02:17 AM	#10
remo Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 413	just some stuff... The first album was produced by a dude called Muff Winwood. Brothers In Arms was produced by Neil Dorfsman. The "money for nothing" guitar tone was a Les Paul through a wah left at a single position more as an EQ. I also read the engineer on Brothers In Arms was really unhappy about the "out of phase" guitar sound on the title track "Brothers In Arms" but Mark pushed it through. also find some good links on MK here: there is a link about his guitar and setup in there that it really informative! http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa022001a.htm

21st September 2004, 12:08 PM	#11
manning1 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada Posts: 3,192	thnx remo. i wonder if muff winwood is any relation to stevie winwood ?

13th October 2004, 11:43 AM	#12
max cooper Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: tx Posts: 8,819	Muff was Steve's bro. Was a producer for quite a while, but the main thing I remember is that he was in A&R at CBS for a long time. He signed some pretty big '80's bands. Sade and the Psychedelic Furs and I'm sure a lot more.