LOGIC AS ALTERNATIVE TO PRO TOOLS

[ROBB007]

Hey
Henchman !!!From Vancouver again Logic is in my opinion a very and I mean very reliable and solid software alternative ....I love the Logic solution . Team this with 3 sets of Nuendo 96k converters and some solid digital console and this system can take you anywhere ,I myself tried Nuendo and found it a bit stale although some of my collegues love it ..My recommendation is LOGIC*************{Sorry about the previous post} I think I was over coffeed*************

I AM LOGIC LOVER ***************

[Jules]

I am too stupid or don't care enough to learn Logic, or both.



From a Producer working with an engineer viewpoint - every audio editing job on Logic seems to take 2 mouse clicks more than doing it on Pro Tools would.

Serious....

Click click click....yawn....

[ROBB007]

Jules you just haven't learned the program the thing with Logic is choices sometimes to many but those who really roll with this program can make miracles with midi soft synth's audio ect**I love pro tools work with it all the time great editing but for Producing Logic is were the big boys play.{IMHO]Any ways I hope this does not start some strange format war****

I AM LOGIC LOVER*************

[kenn.michael]

Originally posted by ROBB007
I AM LOGIC LOVER*************

Hear hear!!!!

I can produce and mix way faster in Logic than I can in PT - Been using Logic for 10 years now, and PT since its inception when it was ProEdit and ProDeck!

[atticus]

I'm a Logic user too . I prefer it to Pro Tools but that's just me. The learning curve really isn't that bad, and like Slipperman said once you get into it it makes perfect sense. Thanks.

[DannyDay]

Originally posted by Jules
I am too stupid or don't care enough to learn Logic, or both.



From a Producer working with an engineer viewpoint - every audio editing job on Logic seems to take 2 mouse clicks more than doing it on Pro Tools would.

Serious....

Click click click....yawn....

Hello Apple. Anyone listening?

[Tibbon]

Logic seems instable to the largest degree. I've got a friend here in Boston that runs logic on his HD system and it seems to crash about 10x a session at least. Not for me!

[Telecastr]

every audio editing job on Logic seems to take 2 mouse clicks more than doing it on Pro Tools would.

Jules,
this is true, at least for what i know of Logic so far, but i just might not know the program well enough yet to do things faster. i was a PT guy before a Logic guy, and still like the ease of editing better in PT, but Logic is not a hard program to figure out at all...at least i don't think so. but i'm the type that likes to just open up a piece of software, click on stuff and see what happens. seriously though, it's really not that hard to learn.

Logic seems instable to the largest degree. I've got a friend here in Boston that runs logic on his HD system and it seems to crash about 10x a session at least. Not for me!

in all my time of using it, it's been rock solid. i've never had it lock up on me.

[kenn.michael]

I've heard a lot of HD horror stories when using the ESB option. I used to use it with a Mix rig and it was super rock-solid. Didn't upgrade to HD, and now just use Logic with native hardware and it runs way better stability wise than with Digi hardware. I've gotta think that Digi witholds certain code that would give Emagic all that it needs to get the HD on OSX technology as stable as Mix was.

[PRobb]

Originally posted by Jules
I am too stupid or don't care enough to learn Logic, or both.



From a Producer working with an engineer viewpoint - every audio editing job on Logic seems to take 2 mouse clicks more than doing it on Pro Tools would.

Serious....

Click click click....yawn....

If you want a new track in PT, hit shift- command N and you're all set. In logic, you make a new object in the environment window, assign the object to an audio track, assign the track to the stereo bus, then make a track in the arrange window. And if you want that track in a particular place in the mixer, you have to select everything to the right, drag them over to open the space, put the channel where you want it, try to line things up, then select all the other tracks and close up the hole. And if you want 8 tracks in PT, you hit Shift-Command N and type 8 before you hit enter. Done. In Logic, you have to do each step 8 times. Well, OK, you can make all 8 arrange page tracks in 2 steps, but its still a pain.
I have a love-hate relationship with Logic. It is incredibly powerful, but user hostile.

[kenn.michael]

Create an autoload (template) that has all tracks already created - 1-128. You only do this once to setup your studio, then when you're working, you just select your track from the Arrange, open up the TrackMixer (which is exactly like the Mix window in PT) and there you go. If you want to change the order of the tracks, change them in the Arrange and the TrackMixer will automatically update.

In fact, if you have your template setup, if you're finished recording on audio track 24, and want to start working on audio track 25, all you have to do is hit (Control+Shift+Return), and Logic brings the next track up for you on the Arrange. 8 tracks needed? Hold down Control+Shift and press Return 8 times.

I have an autoload that has 128 audio tracks 64 instruments 64 busses and 64 auxes all routed in a custom configuration that loads up everytime I start a new session. When I'm finished recording a particular song, my mix routing is already setup with all my mix groups and automation groups, and all I have to do is just start mixing. No setup necessary.

[mersisblue]

nice tip

[Ruudman]

I also use a template when I'm working in LAP.
Logic has way better midi functions and playback,
which is why I use it in the first place.

Vocal comp and arranging audio, that's PT's department.

Overall, if PT had implemeted Logic's entire midi-vocabulary,
it would be my number 1 choice. If only...........



ruudman


oh, and throw in Abletons lively attitude and Sibelius exact notes;
it would make a nice program

[entropy]

Logic here and loving it.

I'm with Slippy, Notator on the Atari was the badboy, it was just SO much tighter than Cubase, particuarly when using the oh so compact, unitor for syncing (over and above the tiny red sync box).

I too followed the progression from the atari to Logic on the Mac and have had many happy hours motoring since. I do also use Pro Fools and Cubase, but that's strictly on a client need basis, all my shit is Logic.

There are a few things that annoy me but there's always a work around and the funky shit more than makes up for it

[juniorhifikit]

As much as I hate Logic and find it un-intuitive and frustrating, I'm going to have to buy it and make friends with it. It's my job. Many producer-types use it. They're my clients. Who knows, maybe I'll learn to love it (doubt it).

If you want a new track in PT, hit shift- command N and you're all set. In logic, you make a new object in the environment window, assign the object to an audio track, assign the track to the stereo bus, then make a track in the arrange window. And if you want that track in a particular place in the mixer, you have to select everything to the right, drag them over to open the space, put the channel where you want it, try to line things up, then select all the other tracks and close up the hole. And if you want 8 tracks in PT, you hit Shift-Command N and type 8 before you hit enter. Done. In Logic, you have to do each step 8 times. ....

That's been my experience.

mersisblue nice tip
kenn.miCreate an autoload (template) that has all tracks already created - 1-128. You only do this once to setup your studio, then when you're working, you just select your track from the Arrange, open up the TrackMixer (which is exactly like the Mix window in PT) and there you go. If you want to change the order of the tracks, change them in the Arrange and the TrackMixer will automatically update.

In fact, if you have your template setup, if you're finished recording on audio track 24, and want to start working on audio track 25, all you have to do is hit (Control+Shift+Return), and Logic brings the next track up for you on the Arrange. 8 tracks needed? Hold down Control+Shift and press Return 8 times.

Custom setups - Powerful! Dangerous.

Either way, it's here to stay so I must deal

Blah blah blah, I'm not saying anything new...

[DrDeltaM]

The environment is the true power of Logic, very flexible.

You could see it this way: if you have a 64voices (64tracks) PT system, you're working with a pre-set 64channel environment. You just can't change anything to it. In Logic you can.
If you prefer not to bother about it, np, you only have to make a start setup once, and Logic helps you with that thru the Setup Assistant step by step.

I do agree that audio editing in ProTools is faster/easier, and hope there will some improvements in that with Logic 7 (rumoured to be presented at AES next month). It ain't all that bad tho, and the use of keycommands speed up things just like in ProTools.

[faeflora]

All dissenters STFU.

Logic is PERFECT. If you don't like it, YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM.

One characteristic PERFECTION of Logic is how SHITTILY LOOSE AND SLUTTY internal (EXS24 or those shit Emagic softsynths) MIDI timing is. Let's not even talk about how weak external MIDI timing is (even with an AMT8 or Unitor8). Please?

A second characteristic PERFECTION of Logic is how menu items seem to have been spazzmodically shat into place by whatever ******** thalidamidebaby mentally handicripplecapable software programmer the ****s overlooked.

A third characteristic of PERFECTION is all the horrible HORRIBLE GENERIC and putrid dance music squeezed out of Logic by abominable producers graced with the blessing of Shub-Bluglaasssuck the great dark diety of all INCREDIBLY FU+KING ANNOYING AND REPETITIVE AND UMUSICAL SOUL MASTICATING antiphony.

[adamcal]

I too was on Note Eater on Atari and then logic till this year. While I still use it with a few still current projects I have pretty much abandoned it for Nuendo.

I still love Logic, But I just love Nuendo a whole lot more.

Its all there and more.

But as for the original question, for me Logic is far better then Pro tools in many ways, and those who dont think logic can do something pro tools can, just dont know how, or the quick way.

But Nuendo Beats them both. Just my opinion.

[adamcal]

[i], and PT since its inception when it was ProEdit and ProDeck! [/B]

I thought it started as Sound Tools on the atari. I bought it to edit samples on S900's and EPS's

[adamcal]

Originally posted by Tibbon
Logic seems instable to the largest degree. I've got a friend here in Boston that runs logic on his HD system and it seems to crash about 10x a session at least. Not for me!

That says a lot about you freinds computer setup, but not nessacarily about Logic, as thousands of people manage to use it daily without crashing 10 times a session. LOL

[kenn.michael]

Originally posted by faeflora
All dissenters STFU.

Logic is PERFECT. If you don't like it, YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM.

One characteristic PERFECTION of Logic is how SHITTILY LOOSE AND SLUTTY internal (EXS24 or those shit Emagic softsynths) MIDI timing is. Let's not even talk about how weak external MIDI timing is (even with an AMT8 or Unitor8). Please?

A second characteristic PERFECTION of Logic is how menu items seem to have been spazzmodically shat into place by whatever ******** thalidamidebaby mentally handicripplecapable software programmer the ****s overlooked.

A third characteristic of PERFECTION is all the horrible HORRIBLE GENERIC and putrid dance music squeezed out of Logic by abominable producers graced with the blessing of Shub-Bluglaasssuck the great dark diety of all INCREDIBLY FU+KING ANNOYING AND REPETITIVE AND UMUSICAL SOUL MASTICATING antiphony.

wow.

[ROBB007]

programmer the ****s overlooked.programmer the ****s overlooked



I don't no where that came from I am Canadian and I really find that word very uncomfortable ,Take it what the {****s] did 60 years ago was well we can't even go there !!!,There is no denying the amount of wealth and knowledge the germans have left for us they build fantastic cars and were kind enough to give us the full background on rocket enginnering ect*** things might have been alot worse had you given it to the Russians!!!!!!So as far as Logic goes it is a great tool for accurate and nimble hands!!!!

I AM LOGIC LOVER AND I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jam]

I think the "once you know it you grow to love it" comments hit the nail on the head.
It's just another tool in the box but I have a certain fondness for it.

Jam

[Andy Sneap]

I AM LOGIC LOVER AND I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im sorry
just kiddin,

funny isn't it how people either love or hate it, I guess its what you get used to and how you are going about your work.
I'm with Jules on this, though I've been using Logic occasionally and it drives me mad, logic it definately isn't, not for me anyway.
I get so frustrated with Logic having to open seperate windows. But I'm hardly dealing with midi so PT suits my way better.

[adamcal]

Originally posted by faeflora
One characteristic PERFECTION of Logic is how SHITTILY LOOSE AND SLUTTY internal (EXS24 or those shit Emagic softsynths) MIDI timing is. Let's not even talk about how weak external MIDI timing is (even with an AMT8 or Unitor8). Please?

My expreience has been quite the reverse, with the advent of Internal logic synths and VSTi's in general, I have found the timing very tight and even better then the good old days of Atari/Unitor/Notator

and further to that, I love all the emagic synths, even the simple basic ones. If you have spent anytime learning ES2 (ie not just playing a few presets) you will find an amazing synth in there.

[JHanks]

Originally posted by faeflora
Logic is PERFECT. If you don't like it, YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM.

You apparently don't like Logic, so you're indeed the one with the problem. you're right!
Your own words my friend! you said it!

Originally posted by faeflora
...by whatever ******** thalidamidebaby mentally handicripplecapable software programmer the ****s overlooked.

The ****s overlooked? So the ****s should have gotten the Emagic programmers? right?
So you do agree with the ****s, their philosophy, their agenda and their actions about what they've done to the handicaped, to the mental patients and to millons of ethnic people. Is this what you are saying faeflora ???!!??!

Mods, is this acceptable? I let you guys judge...

Yup, you're definitely the one with the freaking problem my man!

[jeronimo]

I tried to work w/ Logic 4.7 I guess... and I really gave up on it after a few minutes... maybe I should have tried a little harder

I'm thinking about buying Logic Express to learn this beast and maybe fall in love with it... but I really prefer that PT gets better so I don't have to migrate to Logic.

ADC, Freeze function and a few more whistles could be in PT LE...

[Boogle]

Great program...but scares the Heebie Jeebies out of me!

I know it's the most 'popular pro choice' but I kinda stuck with steinberg since cubase 1.??

(Plus I always thought I should reward steiny I'dfor my earlier crack copy crimes as student- I know I aint the only one)

[thethrillfactor]

Logic User here since Notator on the Atari(1040st and Mega) also.

My first choice for productions.

I still prefer PT for mixing audio.




thumbsup

[Bosco]

Been using Pro Tools like everybody else for the last 8 years.Then I tried out Logic with TDM hardware and it was a nightmare.When I used it on the native side I started to like it more and more.

With good converters I like the sound better than DAE.I have now started mixing with Logic and tape on a discrete old Studer console and a bunch of outboard and the results are better than anything I have done in the past.

The other thing is I am at a remote house out in the woods working on a powerbook and Logic at the moment and it is a god send not to have to have hauled all my Digi dongles along.

I will tell ya one thing for sure dial up internet sucks big time!