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Old 10th June 2008, 05:31 AM   #1
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What features/additions would you like to see in PTs

What things bother you? what could be better? What are you praying for? Maybe if there are enough people saying hte same things, someone will take note.

Personally, I REALLY wish they would make it easier to see which busses are in use! They make the active busses BARELY darker than the unused ones and it KILLS me! Make them bold, make them red. make them italic. Make them anything but make them easily visibly different please!

I would also love to see anoption to select "output" for all the channels in a group.

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Non real time bounce!!!! (If they already did this, tell me how to do it!)
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if i were a betting man, i'd bet that it's too late to get in feature requests for the next version.

if they're smart at all, they'll be releasing something pretty soon. i'm hoping for NAMM in a couple weeks.
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Old 10th June 2008, 05:47 AM   #4
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New Features for future version of PTools

1) A new visual interface ala "Minority Report" where you can get an overview of everything and flip things around at an instant on a 3d plane. Right now with sessions that have more than 128 tracks its too confusing visually to keep track of what is going on with what.

Also there is too much eye & neck strain involved.

If you make it ala Minority Report you can resize it in a 3d to plane to be any size we want and make it vertical or horizontal or any angle we choose so it feels more like a real mixer.

2) The PTools mixer should default with all auxes active without you having to insert them(saves one step).

3) We should be able to change ins and outs or add plug ins on the fly when recording.

4) No audio glitches when inserting or changing ins/outs/auxes and inserts.

5) Offline bouncing when needed.

6) The ability to freeze tracks.

7) VU meters instead of peak meters on the channels.

8) Peak meters that show intersample clipping.

9) The ability to work at multiple sampling rates in one session.

10) The ability to do true latency correction for analog inserts.

11) Lastly and most important...a new mixer engine that sounds good and doesn't feel like at any point its going to collapse sonic wise when mixing lots of tracks with auxes and groups.

12) The option to make the master fader before or after your inserts.
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What Minority Report didn't take into consideration is that their interface requires the user to hold their arms up all day long. It would not be practical to attempt holding your arms up for a 16 hour session. I also don't see how the offline bounce is physically possible on TDM.
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What Minority Report didn't take into consideration is that their interface requires the user to hold their arms up all day long. It would not be practical to attempt holding your arms up for a 16 hour session.
You would only need to hold up your hands to make changes and in those cases it would be just like moving your hands on a real console or transport.

The actual PTools mixer would be some kind of 3D projection that you could for example if you want a 48 channel mixer say" PTools resize as a 48 channel mixer with auxes on all channels" and you would get this big console projection and with your hands you angle it for example as a flat table and move faders.

You can also make certain vocal commands like "Ptools mixer group channels 1-16" and voila 1-16 are grouped. Or "PTools mixer turn on automation for channel 36" or open MDW EQ plug in on track 1 and it would pop up, etc.

One thing it would help is the dreaded staring at a screen or screens all day long.
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10) The ability to do true latency correction for analog inserts.
Yes! A simple self check would be awesome! All it would have to do is send a simple signal through all the outputs you select and then calculate the delay automatically. I would REALLY like to see this as a simple button on each channel or each hardware insert so that when you chain multiple analog pieces together on the same insert you simply have to push a button and it recalculates it instantly. It would also be nice if it did it upon opening the session!

The other thing I really hate is not having a bypass on hardware inserts. It annoys me when hardware doesnt have a true bypass also and in combination it is really irritating.
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what i would really like is if you could mute midi notes the same way you do audio with the same quick key so you dont have to delete anything when you want to print different sounds for different parts that are over one another.if there is a way to do this please let me know.nonreal time bounces would be awsome.or customizable track skins would be cool.the rainbow thing doesnt work for me lets have it so you can load camo or tiger stripes or flames or something.have it so peoples sessions have there unique touch.
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Twice as much ADC and/or a better scheme that uses read ahead instead of delays . I still am constantly fighting to keep things in sync when I use multiple decent plug ins.
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A Phase Rotator tool would be pretty cool... Yeah, there are more important things I know.
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I second much of the above.

Also, it would be cool to have a playlist type feature for the comments section. Maybe users could even color code each comment page (that part may be lame haha)

i.e. you could have notes specific to the tracking phase such as mic, pre, comp used on a green comment background, then separate comments for editing stage such as drums nudged forward 20ms or such on yellow, then possibly mixing notes such as lead vocal through space echo yada yada. Often there are separate sessions created for all these phases but sometimes it's cool to know what's coming in from other phases of recording, etc. and "hey, what's that bass tone all about? ah, jazz bass through fuzzface into a jbl eon nudged back 10ms...freaky"
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Better sounding audio engine.

Hot key or keyboard short-cut (a la RADAR) for clearing all meter clips. No mouse use please.

Copy/Paste fader automation from MIDI to AUDIO tracks.

Convert Audio Suite plug-ins into RTAS/TDM and vice-versa, so we don't have to copy each of the settings one by one.

Non real time bounce.

In the Audio Regions list (right hand side of the Edit Window), how about allowing the files to be shown in alphabetical order?

Regarding 'Import Session Data', allow us to exclude the Audio Regions (i.e. plug-ins and fader automation only) - that would save so much time and hassle.

Option of latching the Memory Locations to the MIDI map (as well as to the Time Line, which we already have by default). If you change the tempo of the song while working with MIDI, the MIDI Events will move of course, but guess what... you'll have to reposition all the Memory Locations one by one with your beloved mouse.

Insert plug-ins on the fly, at least during playback.

Move tracks on the fly, at least during playback.

AUDIO & MIDI track count so we know how many we're dealing with in a glance at any given point - who likes to count 90 tracks?

Display the current Sample Rate in the Edit Window

Time count so we know how long we've had a session opened for.

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Personally, I REALLY wish they would make it easier to see which busses are in use! They make the active busses BARELY darker than the unused ones and it KILLS me! Make them bold, make them red. make them italic. Make them anything but make them easily visibly different please!
Lol... definitely. As far as graphics are concerned, I'd like to see quite a lot of improvements too:

A fully colorful mixer so that big projects can be visualized faster.

More pronounced or otherwise different colored lines dividing the tracks in the Edit window - it's ok if we're visualizing regions, but it can be messy when dealing with automation lines.

Bigger button for the Grid settings (quavers, semi-quavers, etc) - we use it a hell of a lot!

Bigger numbers for the dB and MIDI values when drawing automation lines in the Edit Window - gosh they're so tiny...!
Same for the green ones on the top right hand corner...

Yes, there's plenty of spare room left for all that, and yes, I already have big screens!
Digi, you'll soon be paying me a new pair of glasses.
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Non real time bounce!!!! (If they already did this, tell me how to do it!)
They did already do this, it's called Nuendo/Cubase!!!!!!!
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A fully colorful mixer (with cool colors, rather than vivid ones) so that big projects could be visualized faster.

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1) A new visual interface ala "Minority Report" where you can get an overview of everything and flip things around at an instant on a 3d plane. Right now with sessions that have more than 128 tracks its too confusing visually to keep track of what is going on with what.

Also there is too much eye & neck strain involved.

If you make it ala Minority Report you can resize it in a 3d to plane to be any size we want and make it vertical or horizontal or any angle we choose so it feels more like a real mixer.

2) The PTools mixer should default with all auxes active without you having to insert them(saves one step).

3) We should be able to change ins and outs or add plug ins on the fly when recording.

4) No audio glitches when inserting or changing ins/outs/auxes and inserts.

5) Offline bouncing when needed.

6) The ability to freeze tracks.

7) VU meters instead of peak meters on the channels.

8) Peak meters that show intersample clipping.

9) The ability to work at multiple sampling rates in one session.

10) The ability to do true latency correction for analog inserts.

11) Lastly and most important...a new mixer engine that sounds good and doesn't feel like at any point its going to collapse sonic wise when mixing lots of tracks with auxes and groups.

12) The option to make the master fader before or after your inserts.
Again, just buy a Steinberg product, they already do almost every one of these things!!!
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proper conforming of midi files - when you import different midi files and want to sequence tempos you should be able to merge them. Need this all the time with reworking cues for movie/TV

multiple selection with "to end of fade" bounce. So i can select 400 files and conform the fades without having to do it on each file.

non real time bounce is a waste of time - if you're not checking the audio each time then you're not doing your job properly. Never ever seen the use for it. It's the absolute best way to sent out mistakes to a client. The number of times I've seen logic or nuendo output a bad file (say one in a thousand - but when you're outputting 100,000 cue FX thats daft) is embarrassing. Sure - put it in - but i'm suggesting stop using it. I've stopped using certain people precisely because they use this - without checking the ruddy file. If you have to chck it - do it real time. The biggest improvement in native DAWs over the last few years has been proper routing so we don't HAVE to do the non real time bounce nonsense. I'm glad Nuendo 4 finally caught up - it now has a place in our facility.
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true enough - but then they dont do the really important pro stuff like proper conforming or rename tabbing etc.
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non real time bounce is a waste of time - if you're not checking the audio each time then you're not doing your job properly. Never ever seen the use for it. .
Really ? So when you are writing a song all day and you want to give the client a rough you don't think a quick off-line bounce will save you a bit of time ? Or maybe you are writing a tune and committing your Synths to audio, do you really want to sit there in real time for every kick , snr, bass, pad etc while you track them ? just here you could save yourself an hr+ in a 20 track song , the more tracks you have the more time you save ....

IMO the only 'waste of time' is not having the option for Off-line bounce, YMMV
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They could make everything better, and add a ton more stuff meaning more than a one and a half gig package for something like LE. If they've mastered I&0's then they can certainly master everything else and much more, but it seems they have also mastered making us pay as much money as possible for the rest of the plu-ins which I think should just be thrown in with LE.

There is so many things they could do, and could have done a long time ago, and frankly the list is too damn big.
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They could make everything better, and add a ton more stuff meaning more than a one and a half gig package for something like LE. If they've mastered I&0's then they can certainly master everything else and much more, but it seems they have also mastered making us pay as much money as possible for the rest of the plu-ins which I think should just be thrown in with LE.

There is so many things they could do, and could have done a long time ago, and frankly the list is too damn big.
I'm a bit on fire since I discovered the simpleness of PT LE, which is good, and bad too.
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1. an option to monitor mic inputs live during playback while record enabled...(not auto input) i ahte having to set up a listen mic to communicate with a singer during palyback

2. allow plugins like melodyne or tune to control the transport

3. an overlap record function to layer punches on a single playlist... ones that don't have the same start time

4. insert plugs on the fly during playback or recording

5. view more sends at once

6.fix fade during playback bug!!

7.what happened to the control/option/command color palate change mode in 7.4?

8.option to auto play a selection area in solo.... for example swipe across an area in a vocal track and hear that section soloed

9. ping for hardware inserts

some of these may exist and Im too lazy to find them.. they all exist in other software
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the ability to undo i/o changes... ever make a small mistake with the shortcuts for multiple i/o changes, and you accidentally mess up all 60 or whatever tracks!
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The biggest thing in LE I'd like to see is the same functionality for Import Session Data that HD has. Particularly, the "match tracks" function. I'd also really love separate automation for volume and volume trim (a la HD).

As for HD improvements, muting H/W inserts would be great. I'd also LOOOOVE a simple EQ (hi/low-shelf or somesuch) on the sends. THAT would sweet.
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Then he would just be posting a different list. At least until there is a DAW that has every feature possible. ;-)
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proper conforming of midi files - when you import different midi files and want to sequence tempos you should be able to merge them. Need this all the time with reworking cues for movie/TV

multiple selection with "to end of fade" bounce. So i can select 400 files and conform the fades without having to do it on each file.

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Try audio for my DVDs. 2 hours worth of audio to bounce. I only need a few plug ins to make it sound great. 2 hours worth of time to wait!
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Try audio for my DVDs. 2 hours worth of audio to bounce. I only need a few plug ins to make it sound great. 2 hours worth of time to wait!
If you're only using a few plugins and no automation...just copy the plugin settings and audiosuite them in the right order and grab the new file from the audiofiles folder. You'll need space because it makes a new file every time you apply an audiosuite plugin, but it's faster than a 2 hour bounce!

That said, I wish you could audiosuite a chain of plugins from the inserts...sort of like freezing a track I guess...both for conserving cpu and also to avoid having to realtime bounce individual tracks when needed...
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If you're only using a few plugins and no automation...just copy the plugin settings and audiosuite them in the right order and grab the new file from the audiofiles folder. You'll need space because it makes a new file every time you apply an audiosuite plugin, but it's faster than a 2 hour bounce!

That said, I wish you could audiosuite a chain of plugins from the inserts...sort of like freezing a track I guess...both for conserving cpu and also to avoid having to realtime bounce individual tracks when needed...
good Idea. I totally forgot about audiosuite.

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This may be a little off topic, but here's what I'd like to see Digi do, not just what I'd like to see in the next version of PT. I love working in PT, but would like to branch out and try other hardware. I don't yet have a need for HD and can't justify spending that much $. I don't have big clients with huge sessions (or even paying clients at the moment) so HD would be of little value to me. But, I feel comfortable in PT and would be very inefficient for awhile in another DAW. So please Digi:

1: Make PT a DAW that anyone can use. Stop linking it with your hardware. Get rid of LE/HD/M-powered. Make one amazing DAW with adc, unlimited tracks, and all the other functions that make EVERY OTHER DAW IN THE WORLD great. Allow us to use any hardware we want, and sell it like logic or Cubase. Put it i