What features/additions would you like to see in PTs

[Full Clip Audio]

Originally Posted by seansolo

One more as just suggested to me -

- a way to make the waveforms transparent to see the grid behind them so you don't have to have an aux nearby..

Yes! I forgot about it but that is one that I always think about while working.

[n8tron]

Originally Posted by seansolo

One more as just suggested to me -

- a way to make the waveforms transparent to see the grid behind them so you don't have to have an aux nearby..

Is anyone from digi watching this thread?

oh man, thats a cool idea! i never even thought to think about that :)

[Full Clip Audio]

I would really like to see a "copy" clipboard with multiple items. When arranging audio you can hit "copy" and then paste whatever is in the clipboard but it would be SO nice to have multiple items you could save there, choose and paste! Say you select the entire hook and hit copy, it puts it into the clipboard and you label it. Then you do the same with the verse, bridge or any other parts (single tracks or many grouped). You could then select which one you want and simply hit "paste" and it would paste it in. It would make arranging things and re-arranging things soooo much easier. It might sound like a strange idea for people simply tracking and mixing but for anyone doing that sort of editing, working out ideas, remixing and even post it would be a godsend!

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by peeder

I don't see why you think you need to BTD. There's nothing BTD can do that RTD can't, other than avoiding the cmd-shift-K to export the recorded region as a file (with whatever SRC etc. you want). That adds maybe 2 seconds to RTD in practice...

1) Command shift K doesn't allow Pow-R dither as the dither choice only digi dither.

2) Command shift exports the region only and not the procesing that is applied on the master fader.

Originally Posted by peeder

Just apply the limiter and dither to the master fader on the bus feeding the audio track. If you put it on the audio track itself, you will monitor through it but not record it..

If you apply it to the aux buss feeding the audio track it will be recorded with it. Want to give the ME a heart attack?

Its why i RTD and BTD. Have 2 versions. One without the processing for the ME and the other with so they can take home and play it.

Also any processing added to track you are monitoring will add latency.

Originally Posted by peeder

If you want a fader post-insert on a master fader, add a trim plugin to the last insert slot. Not as convenient but identical in practice. The pre-insert master fader isn't actually a gain stage...it's just a coefficient on all the faders sending to that output or bus. I.e. it scales all the faders feeding it, rather than doing any gain of its own. This is nice to avoid the extra gain stage, and means that there is no need to alter tons of automation, say, if you end up heating a bus up too hot. Just use the master fader...it's there anyway whether you reveal it or not!.

What if you have an analog insert & limiter insert on the master fader and you want to fade out and you aren't RTD'ing? Any fades on the master fader will affect how its hitting the inserts.

Basically what you are suggesting are work arounds which should be standard in Ptools.

Lastly if you RTD why should you have to hear it twice? I still don't get that. Actually after the RTD when i BTD its when i take my ear breaks.

[peeder]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

1) Command shift K doesn't allow Pow-R dither as the dither choice only digi dither.

2) Command shift exports the region only and not the procesing that is applied on the master fader.


If you apply it to the aux buss feeding the audio track it will be recorded with it. Want to give the ME a heart attack?

Its why i RTD and BTD. Have 2 versions. One without the processing for the ME and the other with so they can take home and play it.

Also any processing added to track you are monitoring will add latency.


What if you have an analog insert & limiter insert on the master fader and you want to fade out and you aren't RTD'ing? Any fades on the master fader will affect how its hitting the inserts.

Basically what you are suggesting are work arounds which should be standard in Ptools.

Lastly if you RTD why should you have to hear it twice? I still don't get that. Actually after the RTD when i BTD its when i take my ear breaks.

You just need more audio tracks and more master faders then...I guess you could RTD and BTD at the same time (does it allow that?). You can just record an undithered version fro the ME, bus out of that audio track to another audio track, applying the limiter and dither plugs to the master fader of that bus. You can pick which one you want to monitor with sends or however.

Latency on the 2 bus doesn't bother anything...so you hear back a little later, maybe it appears your meters jump the gun a bit upstream.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by peeder

You just need more audio tracks and more master faders then...I guess you could RTD and BTD at the same time (does it allow that?). You can just record an undithered version fro the ME, bus out of that audio track to another audio track, applying the limiter and dither plugs to the master fader of that bus. You can pick which one you want to monitor with sends or however..

Ptools doesn't allow a bounce when a track is record enabled.

Oh yeah add that to the list.

Originally Posted by peeder

Latency on the 2 bus doesn't bother anything...so you hear back a little later, maybe it appears your meters jump the gun a bit upstream.

It does affect what you hear.

And if you for example use one of the outputs of your converters as a side chain for your main mix comp it totally changes the sound because it puts a delay between the outputs. Trust me i've tried it a bunch of times.

I've fixed it though by multing the main mix send on a patchbay.

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

I don't know about Phoenix, but here in LA all of the big post houses are using PT HD.
3MC (now level 3) had at least 30 HD systems running.

Indeed - London too, and Paris.

Also Skywalker sound has umpteen PTHD system.

[Greg Curtis]

Originally Posted by narcoman

Indeed - London too, and Paris.

Also Skywalker sound has umpteen PTHD system.

And Todd AO has PT HD in all of their rooms, running through their Euphonix boards.



Greg

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[Full Clip Audio]

Originally Posted by Greg Curtis

And Todd AO has PT HD in all of their rooms, running through their Euphonix boards.

So is the widespread use of Pyramix overstated? I was under the impression that a great number of post facilities were running it. Any idea how common it is vs HD?

[scott petito]

miniscule.... Pyramix is more commonly useing mastering but even there not too often

cheers
SP

[Fabi]

All PT here at ARRI

[Fabi]

But actually recorded to dubbers

Only small TV projects ITB.

Always recorded to disc, because dpe tracks are soooo nice for post

[colinmiller]

I would like a preference that sets 'duplicate track' to automatically use the last settings instead of brining up a dialog box each time.

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

So is the widespread use of Pyramix overstated? I was under the impression that a great number of post facilities were running it. Any idea how common it is vs HD?

I would say that someone has spun you a monkey ! Pyramix has some use in classical - but even then its not the most widespread. But post? No way.... PT is easily the most common.

[Greg Curtis]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

So is the widespread use of Pyramix overstated? I was under the impression that a great number of post facilities were running it. Any idea how common it is vs HD?

No idea, but I've only seen Euphonix/PT HD at the handful of post stages I've been to in L.A.

Greg

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

So is the widespread use of Pyramix overstated? I was under the impression that a great number of post facilities were running it. Any idea how common it is vs HD?

It could be regional but in LA, PT HD is the preferred DAW in Post and Music studios

[Bounce]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

I would really like to see a "copy" clipboard with multiple items. When arranging audio you can hit "copy" and then paste whatever is in the clipboard but it would be SO nice to have multiple items you could save there, choose and paste! Say you select the entire hook and hit copy, it puts it into the clipboard and you label it. Then you do the same with the verse, bridge or any other parts (single tracks or many grouped). You could then select which one you want and simply hit "paste" and it would paste it in. It would make arranging things and re-arranging things soooo much easier. It might sound like a strange idea for people simply tracking and mixing but for anyone doing that sort of editing, working out ideas, remixing and even post it would be a godsend!

Well, this is a workaround but you can copy several items via the selector tool, go to the end of the session or where no audio from the project will end up other than the "clipboard stuff," paste these regions and create a memory location that includes the SELECTION with it. Repeat as needed. The when you need to copy a bunch of regions (grouped or not), you simply hit the memory locator assigned to those regions, it will automatically select them, copy and paste wherever. You can deselect regions of course and copy whatcha want. A workaround, but useful :-)

[Bounce]

I was bouncing some stems today for music for a video game and was exporting files from ableton live on my laptop to my hd rig. Live 7 has a feature (like Opcode Vision had wayyy back) where you can select what outputs to bounce (like pro tools). However, there is an "ALL" option that will bounce out individual files from EACH output post fader, inserts, etc. creating multiple files (i.e. kick, snare, hat, vocal, gtr, yada yada).

If Pro Tools had this option, with some creative use of auxes, routing, etc. you could creative multiple mixes of tunes as well as bounce out individual files for other uses (remixer files, etc.).

This would be excellent!

[Full Clip Audio]

Originally Posted by Bounce

Well, this is a workaround but you can copy several items via the selector tool, go to the end of the session or where no audio from the project will end up other than the "clipboard stuff," paste these regions and create a memory location that includes the SELECTION with it. Repeat as needed. The when you need to copy a bunch of regions (grouped or not), you simply hit the memory locator assigned to those regions, it will automatically select them, copy and paste wherever. You can deselect regions of course and copy whatcha want. A workaround, but useful :-)

Yeah thats how I do it now but it would be so nice to not have to do that.

[bigwig1987]

I would like to see Solo Isolate be an option when creating an Aux track, or just have them always solo isolated. I don't think i've ever NOT solo isolated an aux track

[peeder]

Originally Posted by bigwig1987

I would like to see Solo Isolate be an option when creating an Aux track, or just have them always solo isolated. I don't think i've ever NOT solo isolated an aux track

If aux inputs are solo-safed by default, they should default to "no input"...having them default to an input and be solo-safed is a recipe for disaster.

[peeder]

Originally Posted by Bounce

I was bouncing some stems today for music for a video game and was exporting files from ableton live on my laptop to my hd rig. Live 7 has a feature (like Opcode Vision had wayyy back) where you can select what outputs to bounce (like pro tools). However, there is an "ALL" option that will bounce out individual files from EACH output post fader, inserts, etc. creating multiple files (i.e. kick, snare, hat, vocal, gtr, yada yada).

If Pro Tools had this option, with some creative use of auxes, routing, etc. you could creative multiple mixes of tunes as well as bounce out individual files for other uses (remixer files, etc.).

This would be excellent!

Yeah, and Logic offers this too, but then it would be easier to move your tracks out of Pro Tools, and there's just no way Digi is going to open up the Roach Motel like that...

[Bounce]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

Yeah thats how I do it now but it would be so nice to not have to do that.

[seansolo]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Ptools doesn't allow a bounce when a track is record enabled.

Oh yeah add that to the list.





It does affect what you hear.

And if you for example use one of the outputs of your converters as a side chain for your main mix comp it totally changes the sound because it puts a delay between the outputs. Trust me i've tried it a bunch of times.

I've fixed it though by multing the main mix send on a patchbay.

Please don't take offense - I just don't see the point to RTD - and recording during BTD for me is NOT a good thing - depending what suite I'm working in, I often have the talkback routed into PT into an audio track in input. This is Specifically so I can't forget to pull out the TB (an aux would bounce an open TB mic into the mix, which sucks). This way, if I DO forget to kill the input audio TB, PT reminds me before it will let me BTD. It seems you guys have some fancy RTD (and BTD) workflows, and I know everyone works differently - but your just adding steps and hurting my brain with the 'is this dithered?' 'is my mult going DA/AD again?' does this really save time/help the track/is it worth it? I might bounce a bunch of 24 bits multimono and bring em into a new session to export everythng 16.44 for clients ref before the ME gets em, but come on! I don't see the upside to
RTD and then BTD.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by seansolo

Please don't take offense - I just don't see the point to RTD - and recording during BTD for me is NOT a good thing - depending what suite I'm working in, I often have the talkback routed into PT into an audio track in input. This is Specifically so I can't forget to pull out the TB (an aux would bounce an open TB mic into the mix, which sucks). This way, if I DO forget to kill the input audio TB, PT reminds me before it will let me BTD. It seems you guys have some fancy RTD (and BTD) workflows, and I know everyone works differently - but your just adding steps and hurting my brain with the 'is this dithered?' 'is my mult going DA/AD again?' does this really save time/help the track/is it worth it? I might bounce a bunch of 24 bits multimono and bring em into a new session to export everythng 16.44 for clients ref before the ME gets em, but come on! I don't see the upside to
RTD and then BTD.

No offense taken, but its clear we each have our own methodologies when working in PTools.

I want the ability to be able to track during a bounce because i use alot of outboard gear and at the end of a session i want to record my processing so i can recall it at a later date. It would save me a ton of time if could do everything in one shot so when i have bounced down i can go home and turn off the lights. Also if the client after the bounce wants their data right there i don't have to keep them waiting around to explain why i have to track the processing afterwards in the first place.

The point is not whose way is right or wrong. The point is one should have the choice based on how you work. Its just an option that's all.

[Rigg]

I Think I would like to see digidesign break their products into 3 lines instead of 2. There is a huge price point barrier between an entry level HD system and a top of the line LE system. I would love to see PT go host based completely and open it to any third party hardware but that just ain't gonna happen. I think the more realistic option would be to split digi products into 3 tiers instead of two.

Make the LE line pretty much the same as it is now only drop the 003 and make the mbox pro 8 analog I/O (4 with pres) headphone and monitor outs, and a spdif I/O. Limit the software to 32 tracks and the bit depth/sample rate to 24/48k. Other than that leave the software alone.

Then Make a mid level line that is more customizable/expandable. Offer an 8 analog I/O interface that also has a pair headphone amps and 2 sets of monitor outs as a core system. And than offer an 8 analog I/O interface and an 8 digital I/O interface for expansion so you could have a total of 4 for 32 I/O (plus a pair each of headphone and monitor outs). On the software side make it the same as LE only add delay compensation for plug in's and hardware inserts. Limit the track count to 32 for the core system and ad 16 tracks for every expansion interface. 80 tracks for a full blown system. I'd be fine if they capped it at 64 tracks. Limit the bit depth and sample rate to 24/96k. Charge say $3000 for the core interface with software and $1500 for expansion interfaces. I'm not an electronics engineer but i would assume this would be feasible with fire wire.

From there HD could just be the same with updated hardware. People would still pay a premium for unlimited track counts, full featured software and outrageous sample rates. Maybe they could offer more free plug ins with the system to make it more attractive.

Just my 2 cents and probably a pipe dream at that but if somebody at digi would pull their head out of there ass we could have our cake and eat it too. Flame on!

[peeder]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

No offense taken, but its clear we each have our own methodologies when working in PTools.

I want the ability to be able to track during a bounce because i use alot of outboard gear and at the end of a session i want to record my processing so i can recall it at a later date. It would save me a ton of time if could do everything in one shot so when i have bounced down i can go home and turn off the lights. Also if the client after the bounce wants their data right there i don't have to keep them waiting around to explain why i have to track the processing afterwards in the first place.

The point is not whose way is right or wrong. The point is one should have the choice based on how you work. Its just an option that's all.

Yeah freeze everything would be very nice. One button, and every audio track and bus gets recorded to disk, including the master. Perfect for analog recalls.

But you know, digi is at war with analog in general, though they can't make it obvious. Their goal is full virtualization, with every process running on their proprietary hardware. And in that world, there is no need to freeze...there is only a need to buy huge HD systems with all the plugs for every room you ever work in.

[WATYF]

Aside from the typical ADC and off-line bounce (which, yes, I would use the hell out of)... I think I'd like to see:

Delete and Insert Silence affect all playlists on a track. If I'm making a major shift in a song using "Shuffle", I want the shift to affect all playlists, not just the ones I can see at the time.

A keystroke that allows you to switch between playlists.

Add the ability to do global input/output changes either by group or by holding down Alt. You can already do this for sends/mutes/solos/record (using the "Alt" key). Every time I setup a drum aux I have to manually route each channel's output to the aux, one at a time. I want to just highlight the necessary tracks (or whatever) and change one output and the rest all change to the same value.


WATYF