What features/additions would you like to see in PTs

[illiummusic]

You are essentially asking them to forfeit everything that sets them apart from every other DAW like the ones you mentioned. Why would they want to give up the crown and become "just another choice" ?

The crown to what, old age? Digi is that grandfather that everyone has that's too set in his was to stop being racist. I totally agree with AMMusic. Digi is losing a lot of customers because of the hardware issue, not to mention losing customers over the fact that they barely give you any usable plugins and almost zero virtual instruments.
So many people are switching to Logic for these reasons. They need to get with the times or they're going to be ousted before too long.

[Full Clip Audio]

Originally Posted by illiummusic

The crown to what, old age? Digi is that grandfather that everyone has that's too set in his was to stop being racist. I totally agree with AMMusic. Digi is losing a lot of customers because of the hardware issue, not to mention losing customers over the fact that they barely give you any usable plugins and almost zero virtual instruments.
So many people are switching to Logic for these reasons. They need to get with the times or they're going to be ousted before too long.

Many people? Not THAT many or Digi would change thier approach. I still dont see Logic as the main DAW in most studios. Not by a million miles.

[colinmiller]

You can't have a pro tools thread without there being pro tools bashing. It's a law.

[illiummusic]

Besides the fact that pretty much all of the Hip Hop and R&B guys use Logic, I've seen a number of rock guys switching to Logic as well. It's a growing trend. People are tired of paying money for crappy hardware, limited tracks, plugins and v.i. when for the same price they can buy Logic which includes a plethora of plugins, v.i., mastering software, convolution reverb, etc. To have the equivalent with PT you would have to buy NI Komplete, Waves Gold, and Altiverb. Do the math. And with the big studios going the way of the dinosaur, Digi's staple of being the #1 DAW is slowly diminishing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Logic personally. I have to use it for my job but I would take Cubase/Nuendo over all of them. Logic just makes far more sense to the growing group of people who don't have the money for HD.

[Full Clip Audio]

Originally Posted by illiummusic

Besides the fact that pretty much all of the Hip Hop and R&B guys use Logic, I've seen a number of rock guys switching to Logic as well. It's a growing trend. People are tired of paying money for crappy hardware, limited tracks, plugins and v.i. when for the same price they can buy Logic which includes a plethora of plugins, v.i., mastering software, convolution reverb, etc. To have the equivalent with PT you would have to buy NI Komplete, Waves Gold, and Altiverb. Do the math. And with the big studios going the way of the dinosaur, Digi's staple of being the #1 DAW is slowly diminishing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Logic personally. I have to use it for my job but I would take Cubase/Nuendo over all of them. Logic just makes far more sense to the growing group of people who don't have the money for HD.

Well it sounds to me like you are lumping in people writing music with people recording music. I draw a very clear distinction between them in this sort of a discussion. If you mean writing then yeah, lots of people use Reaosn, Fruity, MPCs, ASRS, SP1200s, Logic and all sorts of things. for recording and mixing, HD is still by far the industry standard. By FAR.

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by McGee

One thing that really bugs me in PT is when I select ALL in the groups, then do my global edit or whatever, and I accidentally leave ALL switched on.

If I option click a fader to return it to zero, BANG all my fader are at O. It's not undo-able - I have to load a session file backup to get my non-automated faders back to where they were.

I'd like fader moves to be undo-able.

If you are in PT 7.4, fader moves are undoable.
It's in your preferences.

Preferences>>Mixing>>Automation

[illiummusic]

Well it sounds to me like you are lumping in people writing music with people recording music.

I'm actually not. I'm referring to recording albums. Alot of R&b and Hip Hop albums are done with Logic and I know of major Rock albums done with Logic but I think I didn't make my point clear. I know PT is the industry standard. But all of the up and coming guys choosing daw's other than pro tools are the next generation of engineer's, producers, studio owners, etc and they're not going to be using PT. PT is focused on the way the industry has been instead of where it's going. And in the next 10 years, that's going to severely hurt them if they don't change their mind set to adapt.

The music industry is making less and less money, more and more people are recording their albums at home, in rehearsal spaces, etc and more and more people are getting hip to the fact that the don't need PT. Logic, D.P., Cubase, Sonar, Samplitude all can accomplish the same end result as PT. So why would you spend the money on a DAW that has less tracks, less plugins, & less virtual instruments then the others?

They can't keep relying on the fact that they're "industry standard", that word is becoming less and less relevant.

[DJGoody]

hot keys for playlist selection

[Spookym15]

One thing I would really like to see is a Batch Convert for fades or gain changes. I would also like a help button that would let me click it and then my pro tools station becomes a caring person who asks me how I am doing, how is the session, or make great one liners.

[Beyersound]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

You are essentially asking them to forfeit everything that sets them apart from every other DAW like the ones you mentioned. Why would they want to give up the crown and become "just another choice" ?

You mean just another great choice, instead of an overpriced, proprietary nightmare. I own Cubase SX and use 2 PTHD systems everyday at work. You couldn't pay me to use Protools in my personal studio, way too limiting and expensive(do you really want to do ITB mix in real time?)! PTHD is a good "integrated solution" system. It is not the "only" system, and definitely not the end all, be all system. We need more choices, not less!!!

[scott petito]

maybe i'm old fashion but i still listen to music in real time

cheers
SP

[Beyersound]

Originally Posted by scott petito

maybe i'm old fashion but i still listen to music in real time

cheers
SP

Touche, Scott!!!
Cheers, Michael

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by johnwayne

Try audio for my DVDs. 2 hours worth of audio to bounce. I only need a few plug ins to make it sound great. 2 hours worth of time to wait!

process one plug at a time with audiosuite (copy/paste settings). Export audio files. Done.

[n8tron]

HD software for LE hardware

they can even keep the LE track limit for all I care

[dylansmale]

Everything mentioned here is not asking for a lot, it would take a couple of nerds over at digidesign a couple of weeks to clear this check list with the moving of a couple of 0's &I's (I think I already said that here...oh well)

[Full Clip Audio]

Originally Posted by Beyersound

You mean just another great choice, instead of an overpriced, proprietary nightmare. I own Cubase SX and use 2 PTHD systems everyday at work. You couldn't pay me to use Protools in my personal studio, way too limiting and expensive(do you really want to do ITB mix in real time?)! PTHD is a good "integrated solution" system. It is not the "only" system, and definitely not the end all, be all system. We need more choices, not less!!!

To each their own. You couldnt pay me enough to use Cubase. I find it to be the most irritating app out there. I mean it actually makes me angry to have to use.

[Tangible]

Is Cubase able to handle much more plugiins than Pro Tools LE, without stopping or jittering? While I used to use Cubase, I just got back into recording and mixing, but I never use to be so plug-in intensive, because I used to only apply affects to master faders, or group busses/aux..... but now, I've found that by applying the initial compression/eq on a track by track basis gives me so much more control.

However, when I'm mixing a track with main vocals, adlibs, chorus etc. I find by the time I'm two third of the way done, my CPU is maxing out EARLY. Especially if I start throwing in some nice reverb/delay plugs.


Will going back to Cubase make a big difference? I really don't want to... I've fell in love with PT's less cluttered interface and hotkeys.

[colinmiller]

Originally Posted by dylansmale

Everything mentioned here is not asking for a lot, it would take a couple of nerds over at digidesign a couple of weeks to clear this check list with the moving of a couple of 0's &I's (I think I already said that here...oh well)

If only...

[Beyersound]

Originally Posted by Tangible

Is Cubase able to handle much more plugiins than Pro Tools LE, without stopping or jittering? While I used to use Cubase, I just got back into recording and mixing, but I never use to be so plug-in intensive, because I used to only apply affects to master faders, or group busses/aux..... but now, I've found that by applying the initial compression/eq on a track by track basis gives me so much more control.

However, when I'm mixing a track with main vocals, adlibs, chorus etc. I find by the time I'm two third of the way done, my CPU is maxing out EARLY. Especially if I start throwing in some nice reverb/delay plugs.


Will going back to Cubase make a big difference? I really don't want to... I've fell in love with PT's less cluttered interface and hotkeys.

I typically run at least 24-36 native plugins(including at least 20 convolution eqs) in SX on a 1.89ghz Core Duo rig and never exceed 55-65% of the cpu limit. It has been rock solid, and much more reliable than either of my PTHD rigs. Part of those problems seem to be the non-Intel G5s that Protools is in, and the heavy use that they get.

[vanrobr]

You can make PT have colored tracks in the mixer. Hold down the Option, command and control buttons, click on the color bar on the track, and drag up.

[Fabi]

Originally Posted by AMMusic

This may be a little off topic, but here's what I'd like to see Digi do, not just what I'd like to see in the next version of PT. I love working in PT, but would like to branch out and try other hardware. I don't yet have a need for HD and can't justify spending that much $. I don't have big clients with huge sessions (or even paying clients at the moment) so HD would be of little value to me. But, I feel comfortable in PT and would be very inefficient for awhile in another DAW. So please Digi:

1: Make PT a DAW that anyone can use. Stop linking it with your hardware. Get rid of LE/HD/M-powered. Make one amazing DAW with adc, unlimited tracks, and all the other functions that make EVERY OTHER DAW IN THE WORLD great. Allow us to use any hardware we want, and sell it like logic or Cubase. Put it in the $500-700 range with great plugs and VIs. Most other DAW's do this, why can't you. I don't think this is asking too much. But then nobody would buy your hardware.

2: I may be mistaken but I believe Digi is represented as a "hardware company". If this is the case, they should offer more options. The M-box and 003 families hardly give options for the average user. Start by making a slew of products. crap like the m-box all the way up to the 003. Then introduce some better quality options like ensemble and fireface. Then with each of the quality levels, give us options. 2-4-8-16 inputs, whatever we want. Stop choosing how many inputs we need. Make the better interfaces 192/24. This will allow some of us to upgrade interfaces (keeping in the firewire range) without having to move up to HD or switch DAW's. Also, make all of these cutting edge amazing new hardware units compatible with other DAW's. Not everyone prefers working in PT, but maybe this would open up a whole new sales market for Digi (providing that the hardware isn't junk).

3: Finally, this may be out of line but Digi could be amazing if they could find a way to integrate cards into the lower and mid range digi stuff. Keep the huge cards for the best hardware (their top of the line products) but maybe us little guys could get some sort of DSP (like a UAD) that can aid in running ANY plugin. Make it for those of us that choose to use PT and Digi hardware, like a treat, not a punishment. I think there may be something like this out there, but just another idea for them to move away from the slave to hardware/software/industry standard.

I'm sure that this will never happen, but I know that the first 2 COULD happen. I think Digi could once again become a great company and a force to be reckoned with. I'm not a Digi basher, I know that PT HD is great. I'm not trying to start anything, but honestly, is there anyone out there that wouldn't love this to happen. Hopefully it happens before I make the switch to Logic. One can only dream. Now let the "They'll never do that because...." begin.

So you basically want the cool features of HD for the price of LE.
Won´t happen, and I think it is good that way.

Already there are too many people, that buy a cheap LE setup and think they are post production heroes, because they own Pro Tools.
People like these can offer their very often very low quality products for practicly no money, making it realy hard for professional studios, that spent lots of money and offer a top quality product for some real money.
LE has enough features I think. I use HD at work and LE at home btw.

The fact that everybody can buy "Pro Tools" and thinks he is the s***t realy damages the business

Just my opinion though
F

[Tony Shepperd]

I second your opinion Fabi!

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by johnwayne

Try audio for my DVDs. 2 hours worth of audio to bounce. I only need a few plug ins to make it sound great. 2 hours worth of time to wait!

thing is - you've still got to check it. The old time equivalent is running of copies on reel to reel. They need to be checked - and it was always better to monitor "off tape" on the machine being recorded too than listening back later.

I DO use the Audiosuite method BUT NEVER for anything final. I use the plugin and put it down in real time .

[TapeOp]

Originally Posted by vanrobr

You can make PT have colored tracks in the mixer. Hold down the Option, command and control buttons, click on the color bar on the track, and drag up.

Is that supposed to happen on version 6.9 LE?

[Greg Curtis]

Originally Posted by scott petito

1. an option to monitor mic inputs live during playback while record enabled...(not auto input) i ahte having to set up a listen mic to communicate with a singer during palyback
cheers
SP

Create another audio track with their same mic input.

[vanrobr]

Originally Posted by TapeOp

Is that supposed to happen on version 6.9 LE?

Not sure, I know for a fact it works in 7.3 and 7.4. You may have to double click on the color bar to bring up the palette, then do the whole click and drag up, but I'm pretty sure it's done directly from the color bar.

[Oroz]

I'd be great that Pro Tools had a vocal tuner integrated, as part of the system, like the one in Digital Performer. There are rumors of Elastic Pitch, I only hope that they're true.

[Oroz]

Originally Posted by Full Clip Audio

I would also love to see anoption to select "output" for all the channels in a group.

Don't know if this is exactly what you're looking for but if you hold SHIFT and ALT all the tracks that you have selected will change their inputs or outputs.

Another cool one is that is you add COMMAND to the previous keys you can have your inputs or outputs in sequence (1,2,3,4...and so on). I hope I made myself clear .

[uncle duncan]

Originally Posted by narcoman

non real time bounce is a waste of time - if you're not checking the audio each time then you're not doing your job properly. Never ever seen the use for it.

So, if your client does 5 vocal takes on five songs, and then wants to take them all home to ponder, you're going to run each one in real time, adding another hour or two to his session bill? That's one way to pay for studio overhead. Unfortunately, when clients discover they don't have to put up with that if they go to a native DAW studio, you won't have to worry about studio overhead anymore, because you'll be out of business.