Lynx Aurora in a Mixerless Setup? - Analog/in to analog/out for monitering?

[Pfraser]

With the Lynx Aurora, does it have a feature to route a set of outputs as a send for monitors or the artist - or both?

Essentially with my setup I would have mic Pres to AD/DA and then get a monitoring system like an SPL or maybe even a Dangerous. but I' having trouble picturing how this would be setup.

Obviously two DA outputs will be used as a stereo master output from Cubase which will go into the monitoring system... I guess what I'm wondering is if the Lynx Aurora has internal analog summing which can be routed to two outputs?

[kittonian]

No, it is just a converter. Use as many channels of D/A as you need to setup your CUE mixes, etc. but if you want summing you'll have to do that ITB (which is very easy, you just create a stereo send on every channel that goes straight to a pair of outputs).

This is not a limitation of the Aurora. Any standalone converter would yield the same.

[TEMAS]

The AES-16(e) would do this though wouldn't it? Surely the sound doesn't have through the DAW for monitoring does it?

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by TEMAS

The AES-16(e) would do this though wouldn't it? Surely the sound doesn't have through the DAW for monitoring does it?

He's asking about summing multiple channels of D/A down to one stereo pair. No standalone converter will do this. That's why summing boxes, summing mixers, DAW software and consoles exist.

You do not need an AES16 card in order to use the Aurora. The Aurora can work in standalone mode and do straight conversion without a computer. It will not however perform summing tasks. If you want to knock down multiple channels into one stereo stream in order to send that out to a CUE mixer or headphone amp, you would either need an external summing box OR you would do it as I described above using a DAW. If you go the summing box route, you're still going to need to change every track from digital to analog (provided that you are recording to tape) so the reality is you do it in a DAW.

[Pfraser]

Sorry I'm probably not choosing my words right.

I'm asking if there is a assignable mix/master bus for the analog signal BEFORE it gets converted.

For example.
1.)I have a guitar and piano track in the DAW and I'm tracking vocals.
2.)The guitar and piano are coming out of the daw on channel 15 and 16.
3.)Channels 15 and 16 go into the monitoring system and I use a send to send the guitar and piano to the vocalists headphones.
4.)The Vocalist wants to hear them selves in the headphones
5.) The Vocal chain is mic -> pre -> AD/DA input 1.

Now is it possible to take input 1 and route it to my monitoring outputs before it gets converted and have it simultaneously record? Because if I were to just send them signal from the DAW as they are recording they get the AD/DA delay.

[Pfraser]

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[TEMAS]

Originally Posted by kittonian

He's asking about summing multiple channels of D/A down to one stereo pair. No standalone converter will do this. That's why summing boxes, summing mixers, DAW software and consoles exist.

You do not need an AES16 card in order to use the Aurora. The Aurora can work in standalone mode and do straight conversion without a computer. It will not however perform summing tasks. If you want to knock down multiple channels into one stereo stream in order to send that out to a CUE mixer or headphone amp, you would either need an external summing box OR you would do it as I described above using a DAW. If you go the summing box route, you're still going to need to change every track from digital to analog (provided that you are recording to tape) so the reality is you do it in a DAW.

HI Joshua. Sorry, I'm not trying to step on your toes. I was just trying to work out a solution for the guy.

By using CueMix with my HD192 / PCIe-424 setup, I can route and mix any combination of inputs to any combination of outputs without having Logic running and the latency is really hardly noticeable. Now, I don't know whether this routing and summing is taking place inside the HD192 or inside the PCIe card or inside the Mac, but what I do know is that as soon as the audio is routed through Logic, the latency is WAY too much to use for tracking.

The question I was trying to ask is that surely a combination of Aurora + PCI AES-16e would offer a solution comparable to MOTU's. If not, then I'm surprised to say the least.

[TEMAS]

Originally Posted by Pfraser

Sorry I'm probably not choosing my words right.

I'm asking if there is a assignable mix/master bus for the analog signal BEFORE it gets converted.

For example.
1.)I have a guitar and piano track in the DAW and I'm tracking vocals.
2.)The guitar and piano are coming out of the daw on channel 15 and 16.
3.)Channels 15 and 16 go into the monitoring system and I use a send to send the guitar and piano to the vocalists headphones.
4.)The Vocalist wants to hear them selves in the headphones
5.) The Vocal chain is mic -> pre -> AD/DA input 1.

Now is it possible to take input 1 and route it to my monitoring outputs before it gets converted and have it simultaneously record? Because if I were to just send them signal from the DAW as they are recording they get the AD/DA delay.

An analogue mixer is probably your best solution. But as I stated above, I am having no problems with latency when routing HD192 input signals directly to the HD192 outputs using CueMix software. The input audio that I am monitoring is NOT going through Logic software. I'm sure there are other interfaces out there that also do this.

Have you checked out the CraneSong Spider? Maybe thats a solution.

[Pfraser]

Well I totally would be willing to get a console but I'm on a tight budget.

[Pfraser]

anyone else? surely someone with a Lynx Aurora would know this...

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by Pfraser

anyone else? surely someone with a Lynx Aurora would know this...

i'm trying to find out more info about the aurora too...do you have one yet?

[BigAl]

It's like what Joshua said. It can't be done with just the converter alone. I used the Aurora 16 just last week. There is no such mixing feature on the unit itself.

If you are using the Aurora as a standalone unit, the answer to your question is no.

--Al

[Pfraser]

A Presonus firestudio can do this but the Lynx cannot? It's funny how sometimes cheaper gear comes with better features.

If I wanted to do this with the Lynx Aurora... how would I? Just make a y cable and send one to the aurora and one to some kind of monitoring system?

[mltamisin]

Sounds like a patchbay might be in order. But you'd still need something to sum the channels 15/16 with the gtr.....maybe a Mackie would do? Doesn't sound like you need much. The options you're looking for are probably located in the Lynx AES16 card you mentioned. I think it does have a low latency monitoring software mixer but I can't say for sure. Check it out on their site.
The Firestation was made to solve all the problems associated with computer based recording.....the PCI card, Latency free monitoring, etc....
The Aurora was made to offer high end conversion. Just 2 different aims really.

[Pfraser]

Is what I would need is a unit with 16 inputs and those 16 inputs are hardwired to the 16 outputs without any coloration (essentially they would be thru channels). and then between those input and outputs i need an split off on each channel and what it would split off to is a routing system. You would control the routing on the front panel, each channel would have 4 knobs which would be the sends. to activate a send you push in the knob and turn for send level. There could also be a master section to control main monitor mix levels and you could even insert it onto the sends.

You would put this unit right before your AD/DA conversion. Example of unaffected chain:

Vocal Mic -> Preamp -> "The Unit" channel 1 -> Straight out channel 1 with no coloration/distortion -> AD/DA channel 1.

Example of split off point:

...."The Unit" channel 1 -> Straight out channel 1....
____________________|
____________________|
___________________.\/
____________________Routing Bus ---> Send 1 engaged --> Send 1 out--->Headphone Box--->Vocalists headphones

And this could be useful if you have a console as well because you would no longer have to use your consoles sends. You could have another unit for your DA conversion as well and link the two together.

Anything like this out there?