They didn't need Autotune in the old days ..here's proof!

[vernier]

[Mike Brown]

*sigh* This is horrid.

Its not like they would not have used the tools had they been available to them.

I, for one, welcome our perfect pitched overlords.

[T_R_S]

That doesn't sound like any metal band I heard of before ...

[LRhodes]

purdy cool

[vernier]

I'm kinda freakin out that everyone isn't cracking up, because this guy is all over the place ..everywhere but "on pitch". I like Webb Pierce, but this particular performance is horrendous.
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[bobwarren]

I actually enjoyed this because it has soul. All you perfect pitch mongers criticize every piece of music that has any drift. The human voice isn't pefect and close enough sounds cooler to me. Listen to Sir Elton John in "Yellow Brick Road"; he's nowhere near perfect pitch and it's a timeless performance! I must admit I do use AT, but I much rather record until it's close enough. I'm sure it's been done before, but can anyone remember a classic tune with imperfect pitch?

[mikymike]

Look at the bands faces @ 0:22!!! LOL OMG!!!

[rockrev]

I KNEW IT! Joaquin Phoenix's vox were overdubbed on Walk the Line!

dj

[vernier]

Look at the bands faces

Yep, they're disoriented. I have footage from three years of these weekly shows, lots of fantastic stuff, but we always laugh at this one.
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[yumdrum]

Nothin' worse than tone deaf cow Faux(K)

[JOliver]

listen more closely I think you will notice that most of the instruments waver out of tune with the voice as well... not that he was singing all that well but I think a good amount of it has to do with the transfer from the source tape in this video.

[vernier]

Anyone notice the Ela-M 251? ...its way above his head at the beginning ..this is 1954, and Owen Bradley is in the rafters with audio gear and lowering the mic. Historic stuff.
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[shaneoconnor]

eh its fine

[dbbubba]

Pretty "tuney" Webb!

I love this old early C&W/dressed up, hillbilly stuff, but Webb Pierce wasn't the best singer was he?

Still, if you auto-tuned that stuff i'd sound like Sean Kingston.
It'd be full on robot-voice because it's all off.

[denne]

Originally Posted by bobwarren

I'm sure it's been done before, but can anyone remember a classic tune with imperfect pitch?

- anything by the cure (mr. smith misses by miles - horrible)
- tanita tikaram "twistin my sobriety" (RUN! ....FASTER!)

but hey! they were succesfull, weren't they...so who cares about pitch?

[denne]

Originally Posted by JOliver

listen more closely I think you will notice that most of the instruments waver out of tune with the voice as well... not that he was singing all that well but I think a good amount of it has to do with the transfer from the source tape in this video.

yeah, the lap steel-guy is quiet painfull too...

[88fingerz]

Actually...this gentleman does NOT have a pitch problem. He doesn't nail every single note out of his mouth, nor should he.

[joeq]

Originally Posted by mikymike

Look at the bands faces @ 0:22!!! LOL OMG!!!

they may not have needed autotune, but he sure could have used some IEMs

[j-uk]

This is a moot point.
I've recorded & heard lots of great vocals takes absolutely on par with any old 60th, 70ths
stuff. It doesn't matter it still gets tuned cos if you wanna do that kind of record that's what you need to do.

There's 2 kinds of acts nowadays:
The type who are against all kinds of tuning & will almost look for imperfection in a take as a proof of authenticity or cos of artistic pride.
The type who can't stand listening to their own voices if it hasn't been tuned. Usually because they're insecure or their manager/anr have told them that's how it's done.

Sadly the words; you can fix that in the computer can't you?! escapes the lips of too many singers nowadays instead of actually doing the take until they nail it, that has absolutely changed.

What bloody well should happen is that engineers should get a producers credit when they do a comp/tune like that.

[Tibbon]

Funny, I still don't ever use autotune/correction in 2008.

Sing it again, live with it.... or find someone else to sing.

[stafs]

Do You, guys, never ever heard about song contest called Eurovision? Or, check out Russian superstars performing live :D.

[reallyjake]

You guys need to try the new Auto-Mute vst. It's saving me so much time it's ridiculous.

[HeavyG]

You have two jobs in our world...you are either performing a composition or capturing the performance of a composition. I guess I can understand why you would use auto tune and excessive manipulation...but you could also paint the Mona Lisa by numbers...however, I doubt that people will be lauding you as the next Da Vinci. It diminishes the artistic integrity...it is tantamount to the musical version of using steroids. If you find out someone was lipsynching or can't play their instrument...they have no credibility...this is the same thing.

In my book, if you sample, beat displace, auto tune, etc...it becomes less of a performance. It is a guy in front of a PC...

...and to the folks who ripped that cat for being so out of tune...at least he had the cajones to get up there and actually PLAY....and a performance will have some flat notes...some missed riffs...a dropped beat. Bono said that before they played at the Super Bowl.

"America...I know you aren't used to hearing missed notes...but we are going to play live. You will hear my breath...you will see me make a mess of things..."

And that HEADSTOCK rocks...

[Duardo]

How about the headstock on that guitar though?

[j-uk]

Originally Posted by HeavyG

You have two jobs in our world...you are either performing a composition or capturing the performance of a composition. I guess I can understand why you would use auto tune and excessive manipulation...

You do what the client wants you to do, simple as that. Yes there are absolutely those who do not do any beatdetecting, tuning etc but listen to any top 10 song .........

Originally Posted by HeavyG

In my book, if you sample, beat displace, auto tune, etc...it becomes less of a performance. It is a guy in front of a PC...

Hate to break it to ya but that's what we are....................

[faramita]

Sorry guys, I really think autotune is shit. No exceptions. example: youtube demonstration of melodyne: it actually sounds a lot better before it's "tuned-up". One problem is that it is based on mathematical idea of temperate tuning i.e. a simplified idea of "music". If you take that to logical conclusion - in a piano concerto do you autotune orchestra to piano or piano to the orchestra? No wonder all that country music from Nashville nowadays sounds so bland. Do you think Hank Williams or Johny Cash to name just two (very "imperfect pitch" singers) would benefit from Autotune?

[djwayne]

Actually for the time, he did pretty good..........check out his bio......




Webb Pierce (8 August 1921 - 24 February 1991) was an American country music singer.

Born Webb Michael Pierce in West Monroe, Louisiana, he became a star performer on the Louisiana Hayride and one of country music's most popular honky tonk songsters. He was a regular performer on the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville, Tennessee. His biggest hit, 1953's "There Stands the Glass" is regarded as one of country's classic "drinking songs". Other hits included "In the Jailhouse Now", " More and More", "Backstreet Affair", "Why, Baby, Why", “Oh, So Many Years", and “Finally”, the latter two being duets with Kitty Wells. In 1958, he recorded a rockabilly record "The New Raunchy"/"I'll Get By Somehow" for Decca under the name 'Shady Wall'.

Although his first chart action did not occur until January 5, 1952, Webb Pierce was the number one country artist of the 1950s with his singles spending 113 weeks at #1 during a decade which saw him chart 48 singles, 39 reaching the top ten, 26 reaching the top four and 13 reachng #1. Although he had no further #1 records, Webb continued charting until 1982 with a total of 96 charted hits.

In addition to his music, Pierce was known for his lavish Nashville mansion, which featured a guitar-shaped swimming pool, among other bizarre and amazing things.

Webb Pierce has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and in 2001 he was elected to the Country Music Hall of Fame .

He died of pancreatic cancer in 1991 and was buried in the Woodlawn Memorial Park Cemetery in Nashville.

Pierce is featured playing the song, "There Stands the Glass," in the 2005 documentary No Direction Home, by Martin Scorsese, about the influences on and early life of Bob Dylan.

Pierce's song, "More and More" was played in the title credits of 2006 horror film, The Hills Have Eyes.

[headwerkn]

even if they'd used autotune, it'd still be country music...

[BudgetMC]

Originally Posted by mikymike

Look at the bands faces @ 0:22!!! LOL OMG!!!

YES!!! This is where I lost it.

[BudgetMC]

BTW... dig the headstock on the guitar and the Red Jeans on the guy on stage left!