finishing the mix in PTHD vs PTLE

[dhiltonlittle]

if you have the money, i'd rent out the hd system. i've done and have heard some great mixes on le but you have to do alot of workarounds. how many tracks are in the session? do you have the music production toolkit? the main thing that comes into the picture is the delay compensation in hd. you're going to have to manually compensate for the delay in le which really adds up with sessions involving lots of tracks with lots of plugins.

[dhiltonlittle]

oh yeah, and most importantly i'm assuming they are going to have an excellent monitoring environment in a treated room. that is worth the cash alone for the mix if you don't have treatment in your room.

[T_R_S]

48 Bit Mixer in HD = more headroom Delay Compensation = tighter mixes

[frenkonio]

You've got the same 48 bit mixer in PT LE... it has been discussed many times, aren't you tired of saying the same old things?

[redroom]

Originally Posted by frankreverbo

You've got the same 48 bit mixer in PT LE... it has been discussed many times, aren't you tired of saying the same old things?

Not true ProTools LE is 23bit floating point and HD is 48bit fixed

[stagefright13]

I would rent the room. But would tweak the mix there. The Gssl rules as a buss compressor but I think Masseys software limiter sounds better on the 2 buss. The Gssl sounds better on drums IMHO. At least mine does. Buss your drum subgroup thru the gssl and use something else on the 2 buss for the final. And I think whatever they have for converters will make a big difference. Not to mention a good monitoring environment.

You can set up the session in advance and quickly get it done. I like HD and used it many times. And will be my next purchase.

Go for it!

[edcampos]

I would finish the mixes on LE, bounce, etc. and rent the room for a day or two (however much you can afford) and tweak the mixes on that system and bounce everything a second time. Compare the two different mixes for each song and see what worked out best for you. I'm sure the system/monitoring will be superior at the professional studio, but your knowledge of your own room/monitoring, etc. might prove itself crucial. IOW, you might be surprised with the final result but I would still book the room even if strictly for comparison purposes. Good luck and have fun!

Ed

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by redroom

Not true ProTools LE is 23bit floating point and HD is 48bit fixed

I think that you meant to say 32 bit floating point.

[stagefright13]

I think the biggest difference will be in the monitoring room and the convertors and what outboard they have honestly.

Hmm that alot of stuff! I would go. Have fun! Cause it will be.

[Mr.HOLMES]

Originally Posted by redroom

Not true ProTools LE is 23bit floating point and HD is 48bit fixed

I would love to see the speakers which can result 288 db of dynamic range?

The mix wont be any better because of PT HD and in my ears it is a big myth that you will get more punch or a much better conversion on PT-HD.
I have seen so many people swearing on their HD because the sound is so much better.... bla bla

But if you give them two files and they do not know which one was mixed on LE or HD they do not can tell any differences.

If you have 24 BITS it is 144 db dynamic range if this is not enough????

The only benefit you will have from renting is to listen to your mix in perfect acoustic conditions if you can be sure that they have a well treated mixing room. And maybe this will bring you to the point that you have to change your mix. my 2 cents

[stagefright13]

I have LE and use HD sometimes. HD is better. I will have it soon. August?

LE is great tho and produces a nice project. REAL nice.

[Dan]

It's a 48 bit mix/processing engine, and a 56 bit accumulator. It's a matter of precision, not dynamic range. i.e how many digits after the decimal point. Calculation bit depth shouldn't be confused with conversion bit depth.

I work in a studio for the creative tools there, and the listening environment. I don't think simply switching the mix engine and bus comp would change a mix much.

That being said, it would be good experience to hear for yourself the difference.

[Mr.HOLMES]

Let me say it in other words.
Today the DAW qualities are on a so high level that the differences are very subtle and sometimes, my impression, engineers are praying -->"Faith healing" for hearing a big difference.

I have worked with both too and came to the point that a native system is not bad too.

[stagefright13]

I used to use Logic and was in love but use Protools now. Will never go back ever. Flame me now just being honest. Logic has the best graphics easily. Protools makes money. And is so easy. Like I said flame me I have my Nomex jacket on.

I changed platforms converters etc switching to protools. They probably all sound the same. But I am happy here and will never use Logic again. I have the logic4 PC box sitting on my shelf laughing at me. With the dongle. Totally wasted $550 US. Loved Logic but I got screwed. No where near as easy as protools tho. Glad I was forced to switch.

Buy hardware it doesn't go out of style. You can give it to your kids. When you are 50. They will love it and use it. F##ck Logic. no support or upgrade for PC. and Protools is way better anyway.

I only bitch like twice a year. And this needed 1. And Logic AND Mac deserves a huge FU from me. That is why I stick to hardware. Your hardware will always work. And so will Protools MAC or PC.

[jmarkham]

Originally Posted by Dan

It's a 48 bit mix/processing engine, and a 56 bit accumulator. It's a matter of precision, not dynamic range. i.e how many digits after the decimal point. Calculation bit depth shouldn't be confused with conversion bit depth.

I work in a studio for the creative tools there, and the listening environment. I don't think simply switching the mix engine and bus comp would change a mix much.

That being said, it would be good experience to hear for yourself the difference.

Could you define what you mean by "calculation depth." . .This is a new
term for me.

jeff

[Me_Likey]

Originally Posted by stagefright13

Buy hardware it doesn't go out of style. You can give it to your kids. When you are 50. They will love it and use it.

I thought that with my ADATs, Pro Tools Mix rig and finally my PCI HD rig. It ALL goes obsolete at some point. It's like saying my old Mac IIcx never went obsolete, which was the top of the line once. I made a lot of money with that computer, btw.

The only things you'll be able to hand down to your kids are microphones and guitars. Most of the rest will just be landfill.

[rockrev]

Or . . . you could always give Reaper a shot . . . couldn't hurt.

[flame shields up]

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