Paramore-Riot

[u b k]

Originally Posted by fuzznuts

As a matter of fact, doesn't sound like Avril at all... Pretty alienly different.

put it side by side with some elvis, that's alienly different.

side by side with zep, alienly different.

beck, different.

aphex twin, different.

avril, same.

that's how i hear it, at least.


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[erock]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

This record has been compared to the "Rent Soundtrack" and Avril Lavigne here all in 24 hours.
I never would have guessed this.

Oh, Lord, you're never going to let that go, are you?? Haha. Alllll I meant was something sounds similar about the two...sonically speaking. maybe I don't know what the heck I'm talking about. I can't find out what board RENT was tracked/mixed on, I need to go watch my bonus features on the movie again.

Also, I forgot to say that I really do admire the fact that the drums were mostly natural. Unless you put a lot of time into your samples with velocity, different hits, blah blah blah, it doesn't feel like the real thing. I really only replace drums if the drummer isn't consistent. If I can't make it sound good with a compressor leveling it out, then I'll bring in some samples. So its good to see a major commercial success not be filled with samples.

Oh yeah, Avril can't sing her way out of a wet paper bag.

[Todd K]

So far from cookie cutter....

Amazing job DB!!!

Originally Posted by lucey

What about the songs do you guys like? Please explain...

To my taste this is the kind of music that makes the business a sad little cookie cutter factory. Where's the originality, the emotional reach out to the listener?

I guess if you like generic drums, predictable guitars and a whining chick singer it's a new version of that young pre-fab pop rock the kids think is music. And the chick is 'hot' ... why does that help? Do you think she's gonna sleep with you?

The production is professionally done, but that's not a big deal IMO.

[Dan Korneff]

Originally Posted by Kadden Heart

i hear a lot about the transient designer, is that the UAD plug?

hardware

[Todd K]

After reading this whole forum I see that DB and his team have mentioned a few times the different snares they used on the record.

Do you have a favorite snare or a "go to snare"?

What cymbals were used on the record?


BTW- I listened to this record for practically 30 hours straight back in november as I drove from MN to California to pick up a new console I purchased. Loved every minute of it and found that it has plenty of dynamic range!!

Keep up the great work!
ps- cant wait for the new underoath

[stereomixer]

I will respond to some of the questions here.
DRUM SAMPLES.
Whether it is Andy Wallace, Costey, CLA or TLA. Drum samples are always used. These mixers are considered some of the best in the world for what they do. Most of their samples are consistently the same from mix to mix. They each have a distinctive style.

I love Gabriel, U2 and Radiohead like everyone else, these records are just not consistent for US radio in my opinion. Some of my personal favorite music is not played on the radio, that is unfortunate but true.

Again Paramore are a young band, teenagers.
They write their own lyrics and music. Avril does not. Please tell me about a teenage band you like that writes their own music and plays their instruments on their records?
I took this project on because this band works hard at playing and singing original music to the best of their ability. They have many loyal fans around the world, it is testament to their commitment to be better at their craft, every show is sold out everywhere....next.

My team and I worked very hard on this record for months. We pushed the band very hard and the mixes were sometimes complex. It was hard because a lot of time went into the recording. Not many mixers produce and mix...next.

We had many different set ups for recording and many chains. Some were complex. Dan and the crew edited this record very carefully to maintain utmost consistency. The performances are real. It is difficult to listen to the drums and imagine a 15 year old.
It happened.

We are all pretty open about what we do. We have some secrets like everyone else. My suggestion would be to get a forum for all of us and we can all answer, there are four of us. We all perform different functions. I oversee the creative process starting with pre pro.The other guys can explain their function.
Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by intolerance

Guilty Pleasure.

Originally Posted by Todd K

After reading this whole forum I see that DB and his team have mentioned a few times the different snares they used on the record.

Do you have a favorite snare or a "go to snare"?

What cymbals were used on the record?


BTW- I listened to this record for practically 30 hours straight back in november as I drove from MN to California to pick up a new console I purchased. Loved every minute of it and found that it has plenty of dynamic range!!

Keep up the great work!
ps- cant wait for the new underoath

[luctellier]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

I will respond to some of the questions here.
DRUM SAMPLES.
Whether it is Andy Wallace, Costey, CLA or TLA. Drum samples are always used. These mixers are considered some of the best in the world for what they do. Most of their samples are consistently the same from mix to mix. They each have a distinctive style.

David,

You don't even need to justify the use of samples! It's a tool like any other. Those who are agains't samples doesn't end up having a better mix anyways. If someone is a proud engineer and he's so good that he doesn't need samples, well good for him but if I can blend some samples and my mix is better at the end, who wins? Some engineer should put their pride aside and the only result that is important is the mix at the end. See my signature took from Chris Lord-Alge himself.. it says it all.

People are now so aware of samples or autotune that as soon as they hear a constant drum track or a singer on tune, they thinks it's been heavily processed with samples or autotune. Some bands are simply good and got talent, yes it's still exist in 2008!

LT

[Hope209]

another vote to open up a sub-forum for these guys. i mean if location recording can get their own forum...

[erock]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

I will respond to some of the questions here.
DRUM SAMPLES.
Whether it is Andy Wallace, Costey, CLA or TLA. Drum samples are always used. These mixers are considered some of the best in the world for what they do. Most of their samples are consistently the same from mix to mix. They each have a distinctive style.

I love Gabriel, U2 and Radiohead like everyone else, these records are just not consistent for US radio in my opinion. Some of my personal favorite music is not played on the radio, that is unfortunate but true.

+1. Completely agree. It all depends on the artist/genre/what the song needs. Just like how you said that "Broken" (I think?) didn't have any samples...I'm sure the reason why you didn't use samples was because that's not what the song called for.



I also agree with luctellier. It is a tool. Just because it's a fairly new tool doesn't mean it doesn't make the record any less authentic. The Transient Designer is a fairly new tool, right? Lots of big boy mixers use those all the time. Not exactly the same thing, just making a point.

As my sig says. Rule #1: There are no rules. Do whatever you have to do to make the song work, to make the song the best it can be. Track drums separate from cymbals, blend 5 snare samples, use no compression, use +10dB of eq on some things. If those make the song translate to the listener the way it should and the way the band intends it to, you're doing your job.


And +1 for the sub-forum.

[creegstor]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

I love Gabriel, U2 and Radiohead like everyone else, these records are just not consistent for US radio in my opinion. Some of my personal favorite music is not played on the radio, that is unfortunate but true.

What does the phrase "not consistent for US radio" mean? Maybe I'm taking it wrong but I think you're saying they're somehow not suitable for US radio? I'm pretty sure that by the end of Paramore's career (probably pretty soon!) U2 and Gabriel will still have had literally thousands of times more US airplay than these kids. I certainly hear a lot of those three bands on radio these days. Don't think I've heard Paramore anywhere except the TV.

[ProducerBoy]

I loooove U2. Radiohead dominates my CD player (remember those? ). But I don't understand why it is so hard to understand what this man is saying. I hear U2/Gabriel on the 80's and 90's station and the classic rock station (Houston). I hear Paramore on the top 40 station. There is a specific sound/mix style for the hit radio/top 40 format, that is what he's talking about.

Now... for the critics' next trick... form a band, develop some pretty impressive chops, write a couple hit songs, and go platinum. Or, just continue to pour criticism on a group of teenagers and some hardworking professionals. Whatever blows your skirt up...

[Kadden Heart]

mm-hm

there's a lot of pointless kind of chatter on this thread.
talking about whether ot not paramore is good/bad

if the haters,..are..hatin',..they don't need ot be in here.
leave those of us who like it to hassle DB for info

[Brad McGowan]

I'm still interested in finding out more info about what guitars and amps were used. Anyone?

thanks,
Brad

[Blast9]

DB was kind enough to give me this info:

I used an Epiphone 335 elite, a 66 Telecaster, a Gretsch white falcon, and a les Paul.
Amps I used a Naylor, A Soldano, a 54 deluxe Fender, a Marshall triple lead, and a Vox AC30

Hope this is Ok DB

[Brad McGowan]

Excellent! Thanks. It's cool to see the diverse mix of guitars and amps on the record. I thought I heard some Tele in there.

Brad

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by Blast9

DB was kind enough to give me this info:



Hope this is Ok DB

wow, i've not seen a few of those amps before, i do love the VOX amps though, i'm surprised he got them to sound fitting for that paramore guitar sound.

57's right up on the grille? i thought tht's how he did RJA guitars.

did he compress guitars a lot?

DB- how many average guitar tracks are on some of the more rockin songs like "miserybusiness"?

[Renegade Prod]

There are many clean sections in the tracks where something like an ac30 or roland jazz would sound beautiful

[stereomixer]

This song has two main left right right through, 2 overdubs in the verse and two in the chorus and a solo, thats it.

The haters are no problem. As I said its an internet message board. I just want to hear all their mixes!

Originally Posted by Renegade Prod

There are many clean sections in the tracks where something like an ac30 or roland jazz would sound beautiful

[msquared]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

I just want to hear all their mixes!

You sure about that? ;)

[Renegade Prod]

Originally Posted by msquared

You sure about that? ;)

i second that ... i think it'd be best left in DB's hands

[Jason Adams]

Hey David,

tight work on the TFT tracks we just got back, sounds amazing as always. You know James is thinking of getting Nuendo now bc of what you told him.

I finally went out and bought Riot! and really, really dig it. I used to work at the Fort Studio where they were no strangers, its wild to see them get so huge.

Thanks for being an active part of this thread, I just sat and read the whole thing from top to bottom. Some really good stuff in here. I think thats really cool that you take time out of your busy schedule to help us out.

Not sure if i missed it, but did you mention what you used to reference. I mean other than rent and avril...

[Blast9]

Originally Posted by Jason Adams

Not sure if i missed it, but did you mention what you used to reference. I mean other than rent and avril...

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Wow... Over 6200 views and counting

[stereomixer]

Glad you liked that mix, that was fun!

We have used so many records or reference over the past few years, Its always good to get a great cross section as each mix and mixer has its own distinctive style.

Lately we have been putting up our own mixes and trying to beat them. Because we mix everything we produce, (not the band Your Vegas) adjustments are also being made at the recording level as well to anticipate the inevitable.

Lately Dan has really gone out of his way in the set up stage and the initial recording to give me as many options as possible, His ears just keep getting better and better and his A/B tests with our own work always seem to improve as we go. The biggest area of improvement are the drums and bass for me. I have always liked our guitars and now that we have the amps we need it is quicker getting sounds.

I think the whole team has really picked up their game in a healthy competitive way.

Underoath comes out in September as does Nural, Breaking Benjamin and the Urgency.

Originally Posted by Jason Adams

Hey David,

tight work on the TFT tracks we just got back, sounds amazing as always. You know James is thinking of getting Nuendo now bc of what you told him.

I finally went out and bought Riot! and really, really dig it. I used to work at the Fort Studio where they were no strangers, its wild to see them get so huge.

Thanks for being an active part of this thread, I just sat and read the whole thing from top to bottom. Some really good stuff in here. I think thats really cool that you take time out of your busy schedule to help us out.

Not sure if i missed it, but did you mention what you used to reference. I mean other than rent and avril...

[luctellier]

David,

I'm wondering at what volume are you mixing? I' have a SPL Meter here and it usually reads between 80 and 85dB. I'm mixing on Mackie HR824 and have a pair of NS10 in the closet that I think I will plug back. My balance always seemed to be better when using the NS10. Do you use a sub when mixing also?

Thanks
LT

[Jason Adams]

thats funny bc we have been using the unmastered run kid run track for reference

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by Jason Adams

Hey David,

tight work on the TFT tracks we just got back, sounds amazing as always. You know James is thinking of getting Nuendo now bc of what you told him.

I finally went out and bought Riot! and really, really dig it. I used to work at the Fort Studio where they were no strangers, its wild to see them get so huge.

Thanks for being an active part of this thread, I just sat and read the whole thing from top to bottom. Some really good stuff in here. I think thats really cool that you take time out of your busy schedule to help us out.

Not sure if i missed it, but did you mention what you used to reference. I mean other than rent and avril...

hey oviedo,
i was trying to intern at the fort early last year but appearently they sold it off to a hip-hop guy now. oh well.

[Hope209]

i'd love to see info on bass tracking and mixing

[dobz]

Hey Dave & Dan,

Thanks so much for sticking out the constant lunacy of gearslutz

There are two types of slutz, those that roll with the punches and accept the modern music sound (and even enjoy it when done right) and those that are old school and just don't like modern rock music.

I love you mixes and am always using them for a reference! Your team really knows how to get the best sound for modern rock. I really think we should have a Expert Q & A with the team.

I would love to pick all your brains to help me get better drum and guitar sounds. Actually almost every area.

Keep up the good work!!!!

Cheerio