Paramore-Riot

[stereomixer]

The rule I made is...if you cannot see the back of it it does not exist. Having said that after we run out of everything we turn to the digital world to get the turd really flying.

Originally Posted by Blast9

Dan... What kind of safe, boring outboard are you enjoying right now?

Do you use the "fridge" on just vox?

[Blast9]

"Flying Turd" - its time for a photoshopper to step up

Who remembers poor old Pierrick

PS stereomixer - can you actually see the back of your console?

[stereomixer]

Hope this helps with the bottom end.

Originally Posted by Blast9

Dan... What kind of safe, boring outboard are you enjoying right now?

Do you use the "fridge" on just vox?

Originally Posted by Blast9

"Flying Turd" - its time for a photoshopper to step up

[Blast9]

next! Its gonna be a long nite... I hope you've finished with Underoath for the day

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BTW - I love the exploding stereo room mics riding in the intro of That's what you get... But what I really love is the cool bouncy "African vibe" of the verse rhythm with the old skool triangle (spoons?) "stage right"

[Shostakovich]

Originally Posted by Dan Korneff

Safe, boring turd.... rip my face off... pick a lane.
I'd love to hear some of the AMAZING sonic masterpieces you are making over there. Why dont you pop up a song or two so we can learn from the master.

Well, ok...but I warned you, I'm not....and this is my tribute to the LOUDNESS WAR!!!!!!!!! And I promise to clean my room, I swear....um....after this beer...

[stereomixer]

Dude, you were right. this is very embarrassing . We are speechless. This has to be one of worst recordings I have ever heard in my life. Congratulations.
This is going to be hard to top.
What mic is that on the snare? sounds like nothing I have ever heard before, and those guitars. WOW

Ok cheez we get it. you da man. You would not win a loudness war with this, but this recording might stop a war.

Originally Posted by Shostakovich

Well, ok...but I warned you, I'm not....and this is my tribute to the LOUDNESS WAR!!!!!!!!! And I promise to clean my room, I swear....um....after this beer...

[audiomichael]

Mr. Madison (...and Mr. Cheeze Fude), what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Billy Madison 1995

[Kadden Heart]

wow.
i'm glad we can all pick on someone in this thread.

(not that i'm sticking up for him)
but just becaus ehe voiced an opinion does not really give us the right to just pounce his ass,...
furthermore,..i head the first little bit of the song through my macbook pro speakers but,... it wasn't necessarily "the worst recording i've ever heard"

anyway,..with that said.

noone ahs mentioned the bass guitar on "RIOT"
DB,..can you ofer some insight into teh recording,..mixing of the bass?
DI? amp? etc...?

[Dan Korneff]

Originally Posted by Kadden Heart

(not that i'm sticking up for him)
but just becaus ehe voiced an opinion does not really give us the right to just pounce his ass,...

An opinion would have been "I dont like it". Once you venture into the territory of "this is the biggest turd ever" it becomes offensive and opens the gates up for any kind of abuse that we choose to dish out. Either way, I enjoy comments like that cause it gives me a chance to vent my pent up anger from looking at a computer screen all day.

BAck to the fun.... Outboard gear that I'm digging right now would be my new Telefunken V676a mic pre's. Super thick.

Any try a Langevin AM16? Might be my next move.

[fooman]

I just gotta say, this thread is ****ing awesome.
These dudes should have one of them guest thingy forums.... get some of the guys from that NJ studio and give them a forum for a week!

How do you guys split up the work... DB said that each guy has his specialty I think earlier in this thread.

[stereomixer]

We usually have a routine. I do prepro, Dan does drums and edits, Kato does Bass and guitars and John does Vocals. Dan sets up mix and gets the awesome sounds, I push faders till its done.

Each guy can make a record on their own and they have from soup to nuts.
We have been together for over 6 years, and no we do not hold hands.

We sometimes switch and Dan and I do vocals and guitars and Kato and John edit after drums. We have also been known to switch everything around and different people do different things. BUT most of the time its the first scenario.

Everyone has extensive training from being an assistant to engineering to making lunch. Everyone is a gear nut and we all have a lot of gear between us, ok Tons.
They all built their own computers except for me.

I turn on my mac (the only one in the house) with a push of a button.

Right now we just got a margarita making machine and Mitch our studio "keeper" will be learning the finer craft of making the perfect cocktail.

I am mixing Underoath with Dan currently, They are great guys and made a darn Heavy record we all like. Hope you do too!
We got a new vacrac this week, that piece is very nice and even.





QUOTE=fooman;2039942]I just gotta say, this thread is ****ing awesome.
These dudes should have one of them guest thingy forums.... get some of the guys from that NJ studio and give them a forum for a week!

How do you guys split up the work... DB said that each guy has his specialty I think earlier in this thread.[/quote]

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

I am mixing Underoath with Dan currently, They are great guys and made a darn Heavy record we all like. Hope you do too!
We got a new vacrac this week, that piece is very nice and even.
]

funny, i saw underoath "live formt he studio" on "stickam" the other day, i couldn't see sh** except for the engineer twisintg knobs on some sort of marshall head i believe.

note to self: watch out for new underoath record

[Blast9]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

Each guy can make a record on their own and they have from soup to nuts.
We have been together for over 6 years, and no we do not hold hands.

- never heard that one... Clearly you've been living in NJ for too long!

Ah - OK got it Soup to nuts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Anyway... @ Dan if you don't mind spilling some beans: judging by the little snippet on The Ugency's vid, looks like you guys favour close micing everything including cymbals for maximum separation (looked like Oktava SDCs on the cymbals?). Also thought I spied a couple of "underhead" mics down near the floor for a bit of low mid thump.

Do you alway put the drum kit in the same part of the room?

That would suggest to me that you need to do a lot of EQing on the cymbals with mics that close in?

PS thanks for indulging us... We know you're all busy!
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[audiovisceral]

come on guys. the drums are brutally triggered. well done, but they sound like a typical modern rock cliche.

it's all very fallout boy style trendy stuff. wake me up in a fews years ...

ps. sorry if i offend. i've been listening back to a lot of bowie lately. i yearn for the days of 'life on mars'. before my time and different genre, but still, now that's dynamic/breathing/expressive rock (too much so, if anything). can't we move forward and take advantage of modern technology without completely losing that spirit? sorry again; just not into this sort of squashy/sampled/mechanized thing people are doing these days. not sure how anyone over 20-25 can be either, but to each his own.

[stereomixer]

Its hard enough selling a CD to someone under 22, let alone someone over 22.

As a purist myself, and I was actually there during the Bowie period, This has nothing to do with "mechanized triggers" and everything to do with songs. Neither Bowie, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney and Sting have made a great record in the last 15 years.
Finding great songs today that do not sound recycled is a rarity at best.
You must be in a parallel Universe.

Originally Posted by audiovisceral

come on guys. the drums are brutally triggered. well done, but they sound like a typical modern rock cliche.

it's all very fallout boy style trendy stuff. wake me up in a fews years ...

ps. sorry if i offend. i've been listening back to a lot of bowie lately. i yearn for the days of 'life on mars'. before my time and different genre, but still, now that's dynamic/breathing/expressive rock (too much so, if anything). can't we move forward and take advantage of modern technology without completely losing that spirit? sorry again; just not into this sort of squashy/sampled/mechanized thing people are doing these days. not sure how anyone over 22 can be either, but to each his own.

[Blast9]

Audiovisceral - Well I'm a huge Bowie fan too (70's like you), but there are certain sonic cliches I can't stand on Ashes To Ashes and Lets Dance - it is of that 80s era, of course.

EDIT - looks like DB has stepped in just before my post.

Yes its is definitely about the song - it is well-crafted pop music.

I can hear performances in this recording... particularly on the vox.. I can also hear room sounds on the drums not just "brutally triggered" or sound replaced - skilfully rendered pop production.

Whats funny though is I'm not really into this genre - but this album is cool

[thestranger]

Yeah....Make sure everything is bolted down. :)

You'll have a good time with UO... they're great guys. Tell them we said hello!

Originally Posted by stereomixer

Dan,
Thank god you showed up. It was getting mighty lonely in here, They keep talking about GEAR dude.

Jonathan is rocking hard is the word. Hey Jon, we start Underoath tomorrow morning, any hints for us?


BEN DEATH

[cdog]

This band rehearses in the studio below mine.

They are nice people. Tight band.

Im not a huge fan of the music, but a few guys who play in our poker game bought their CD and have been to a few shows.

They are having success in the music industry, so god bless em.

[audiovisceral]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

Its hard enough selling a CD to someone under 22, let alone someone over 22.

As a purist myself, and I was actually there during the Bowie period, This has nothing to do with "mechanized triggers" and everything to do with songs. Neither Bowie, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney and Sting have made a great record in the last 15 years.
Finding great songs today that do not sound recycled is a rarity at best.
You must be in a parallel Universe.

agree, they're a solid band. impressive live. but this sort of production just reminds me of the aural equivalent to a way over-photoshopped maxim shoot - does nothing for me. barely looks/sounds real by the end. but people still buy maxim, and people definitely dig this style (for now). it just comes off to me like 'we have the technology; let's use it!!! more more more YEAHHH!!' IMO IMO IMO.

to qualify that, a few recent modern recordings i've loved were 'in rainbows', 'year zero', and 'zeitgeist'. again, it's all just opinion and i respect what you've done. you're quite good, just not my style.

[Geoff Firebaugh]

I gotta say, I might just be a fan of this band. Catchy well written pop songs that rock. How freakin' rare is that. The production is awesome. Kind of reminds me of the first time I heard Green Day's Dookie. It's not often that you get to hear pop-punk with that level of production/mix quality. two thumbs up.

An interesting side note. I live in Nashville and Paramore are from Franklin which is a suburb about 30 miles south of here. The guys in my band and I were discussing paramore in the van today, and the oddity that they are in the nashville area music scene. They have a record going platinum, tour extensively, and are one of the biggest bands to ever come out of the Nashville area, yet the Nashville press, (Free Weekly entertainment mags, and newspapers) have virtually ignored them. You can't go a week without reading about some shoegazer college band that has been signed to some major label, and is still playing the local bar scene, yet a successful, talented band from this town gets diddly in the press.

Weird.

Anyway, Great record. congrats to all involved.

g

[stereomixer]

For everyone that dislikes this band, There is someone that likes them, For everyone that dislikes the sound there is someone that likes it.
I can live with that.

Originally Posted by Geoff Firebaugh

I gotta say, I might just be a fan of this band. Catchy well written pop songs that rock. How freakin' rare is that. The production is awesome. Kind of reminds me of the first time I heard Green Day's Dookie. It's not often that you get to hear pop-punk with that level of production/mix quality. two thumbs up.

An interesting side note. I live in Nashville and Paramore are from Franklin which is a suburb about 30 miles south of here. The guys in my band and I were discussing paramore in the van today, and the oddity that they are in the nashville area music scene. They have a record going platinum, tour extensively, and are one of the biggest bands to ever come out of the Nashville area, yet the Nashville press, (Free Weekly entertainment mags, and newspapers) have virtually ignored them. You can't go a week without reading about some shoegazer college band that has been signed to some major label, and is still playing the local bar scene, yet a successful, talented band from this town gets diddly in the press.

Weird.

Anyway, Great record. congrats to all involved.

g

[juniorhifikit]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

Its hard enough selling a CD to someone under 22, let alone someone over 22.

As a purist myself, and I was actually there during the Bowie period,

HOLY CRAP!! You were in Teenage Head!! I was convinced I was the only person in the States who new who this band was. And, I used to cover Top Down in my 14yo basement band.

You rock.

[fooman]

I thought the production on Paramore's cd was a lot better than Zeitgeist. I did like Zeitgeist tho... just really took some getting used to the vocal mix. A lot of my friends felt the same.

[Methlab]

My friend A&Rd this record and I have seen Paramore live. These guys (and gals) are very very solid players for their age. Haley is one of the more polished singers I have seen.

The music is really meant for people under 23-24, but they are such a good band that older people get into them too. It is just a cool thing, and I was always impressed that they covered Failure on their old record and used lyrics from Refused and like ATDI. Those are good bands to have as influences...would you prefer that they were influenced by bad music? I do not get the snobbery some people have. It's like "how DARE they cover Failure!!!" as if there is a law about who is allowed to like what.

[zboy2854]

Originally Posted by stereomixer

For everyone that dislikes this band, There is someone that likes them, For everyone that dislikes the sound there is someone that likes it.
I can live with that.

I'm sure you can also live with having the platinum record for this album hanging on your wall, which these days are rarer than hens' teeth!

Don't worry Dave and Dan, it wouldn't be Gearslutz if at least one or two dudes didn't piss on the thread, no matter what the subject is. Consider it a rite of passage...

Getting back to the project, just curious, what patch were you using on the SPX90 for the trashy snare?

[biggator6]

For those who are pissing on Paramore as a band - go search Youtube for some live clips... they're SOLID... and Haley can seriously sing (there are some unplugged versions where she really shines).

Certainly not going to be anyone's taste, but this is not all studio trickery - they can play.

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by biggator6

For those who are pissing on Paramore as a band - go search Youtube for some live clips... they're SOLID... and Haley can seriously sing (there are some unplugged versions where she really shines).

Certainly not going to be anyone's taste, but this is not all studio trickery - they can play.

very true, i wrote a guy at fueled by ramen about putting out an acoustic CD type deal,...
idn't get that,..but on the special eition there'd a few acoustic tracks that just BLOW ME AWAY, talk about powerful, the regular versons rock, but acoustic is just so,..yeah,..powerful.

[Renegade Prod]

The singer being hot really has nothing to do with listening to the record, the first time i heard it, i had no idea what they would have looked like ... could have been a 500 pound red head ... (i got the red head bit right). But the production it self is very well done, a lot of time has obviously been put into it. Yes it is slightly generic, yes it is slightly over done, and yes it is freaken crushed ... and YES it is selling thousands of copies ... see a pattern? You should only dismiss and artist if they cant pull it of live, and these guys can, you have to respect that they are doing what they do next to perfectly, (where a lot of others arnt) .. good luck to them.