Paramore-Riot - Page 3

audiomichael · 27th April 2008, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stereomixer

Is a Rode Classic 2

Thanks. I appreciate your candor.

keithrt99 · 27th April 2008, 04:11 AM

what amps were used ?

Crash · 27th April 2008, 04:13 AM

I have to know, was there any sub synth (dbx 120, Kosmos, etc) used on drums? I hear something on the kick on the song Crush, especially in the prechorus where the lyrics are "....Crush...crush, crush, 2,3,4." The curiosty is killing me. Thanks for all you info. in regards to this project. I love it when someone is willing to come on and give a blow by blow of what went down during a session for those interested.

slaves666 · 27th April 2008, 04:19 AM

David Ben

used to play guitar in a Canadian band called Thor.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ObPyLJZ5mA

Watersound · 27th April 2008, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikymike

Doesnt change the fact that they suck!!!

I'll bet you were the kid in school that bullied and stole the other kids' lunch money. Man, some people have no manners...

KingUgly · 27th April 2008, 06:05 AM

I had been enjoying these songs on the radio, but it was when I saw them performing live on tv when I had to go out and buy the album. It was really refreshing to see non-jaded rock stars actually enjoying themselves up there and having fun. They seem to have little or no attitude (unlike some of the posers, uh I mean, posters here).

You really hear the SSL in these mixes. It's almost 80s classic in that regard. I wouldn't mind a little more bite but it's nice and compressed and very pro. I didn't find it grating on the ears.

I think this is one of the most refreshing bands in recent memory and I congratulate stereomixer on this huge success.

stereomixer · 27th April 2008, 06:23 AM

Thanks so much for all the questions, I will try and answer some of them on a day off. Right now I am finishing mixing two young Bands Nural and The Urgency. Then I mix Underoath and then start producing and mixing the next Breaking Benjamin.
A lot of the questions here are truly great and I can tell there are a lot of serious Engineers and Producers here. I may not have all the answers you want and if I do not I apologize in advance. I will however try and get the right answers.

As I previously said I work with three truly incredible engineers and editors. They have been with me for many years and we have made many records as a team. I started with them when they were all quite young. Each guy has an expertise and brings so much musicality to the records we make. They are my dream team.

It also really helps to own your own studio as many of you do. Knowing the room and the gear is so important in developing your sound. It is such a great reference point to start any mix or recording.

I am a member of many forums and discussion groups, I really lke the honesty and open attitude they bring. I really am not one for immaturity, If I ignore you its probably because you have embarrassed yourself in front of everyone.

Making records today is serious business, one that takes many hours of dedication and focus. Editing and recording are all moving at such a fast rate that we all have to keep on top of everything to stay on our game.

I have used this forum a few times to gain knowledge, the people that helped me were always respectful and kind. This community works.

Having said that, I have made a lot of records before Riot and quite a few after. I hope to make many more.
Thanks again for all your kind words.
David

David Ben

loudmusic25 · 27th April 2008, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast9

Avril Lavigne has nothing on these guys...

That's not saying much. Every time I hear Avril Lavagina I reach for the cyanide capsules and then come to my senses realizing that my life insurance policy won't pay if I do myself in.

Considering what's out there today, Paramore is a cut above most of the 'chick singer pop rock bands' I've heard lately.

Originality? No

Creativity? No

Good Attitude? Yes

Energetic show and good performance? Yes.

Album? Sounds okay-probably because Howard didn't do it.

They still seem a bit like a FlyLeaf imitation-who I happen to like-at least live. I don't like what Howard did to their album. (Lacey is a very nice person, interesting to talk with and a great performer with a great attitude)

Just my worthless opinon

Zack · 27th April 2008, 08:10 AM

David - Love your work on this album. Sounds really great! Huge drums, rocking mix. Love it.

I think it's great that these guys are just teenagers and already have a great career going for them and some sweet and catchy tunes. Good on them.

biggator6 · 2nd May 2008, 02:41 AM

Since some of our posts got whacked - I'll repost this:

In the latest issue of DRUM! magazine - there's a whole article on Zac Ferro (drummer of Paramore). Most of the article is about the time spent in the studio with Mr Ben

, and his whole approach to getting the best performances out of the band.

Good stuff and worth a read.

thestranger · 2nd May 2008, 07:42 AM

just to add to the thoughts... i can say from experience that ben

and his parters in crime are some of the hardest working guys i've ever met. they're in there 16 hours a day, 6 days a week.... i had the pleasure of doing a month of guitars with them last year... kato, bender, dan, and everyone else there are the best guys you could hope to work with on a record. i've also got to say that i was well-challenged while i was there. i definitely left a better player than i was when i arrived.

dave, good to see you on here man.

BTW, i stuck it out, and things have been like new since last fall.... should i expect an "i told you so"?

:)

jonathan HN

Blast9 · 2nd May 2008, 10:22 AM

Nice one Jonathan - would like to hear some stuff - glad you "upped your game"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast9

I love the overdriven lead vox in the chorus of Let The Flames begin - wonder how they did that?

Bump for DB in case he's bored/got no work on

stereomixer · 2nd May 2008, 03:44 PM

Ok its official, I have decided I really can't continue this as there is a skull and crossbones over my name and it needs to be gone. Anyone else have smileys on their name?
I doubt it.

ben

ben

is

miserable

with

this

arrangement

arrrgghhh me buckos me scurvy dogs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast9

Nice one Jonathan - would like to hear some stuff - glad you "upped your game"

Bump for DB in case he's bored/got no work on

Blast9 · 2nd May 2008, 04:17 PM

LOL - you need to tick "disable smilies in text" under additional options (at the bottom of the page) when you post:

watch this...

bendeth rulez

thestranger · 2nd May 2008, 06:11 PM

i rather like the ben-DEATH thing you've got goin on.

i'd embrace it.

ben

4 ever.

Colossal · 2nd May 2008, 07:32 PM

well theres not much more for me to say on this topic that hasn't been covered, except to than david for producting a record that has been inspirational to an 18 year old wanabee engineer, it really is one of the best sounding albums i've ever heard.

nice one.

Kadden Heart · 2nd May 2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colossal

well theres not much more for me to say on this topic that hasn't been covered, except to than david for producting a record that has been inspirational to an 18 year old wanabee engineer, it really is one of the best sounding albums i've ever heard.

nice one.

i second thanking him, for inspiring a 22 year old wanna-be engineer

now exscuse me while i fail miserably trying ot re-create his kick and snare.

Dan Korneff · 9th May 2008, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast9

I love the overdriven lead vox in the chorus of Let The Flames begin - wonder how they did that?

We stuck the vocal thru a Gates SA-39 and cranked it up!!! It's one of those old compressors from the 50's that's the size of a small oven.

jonathan! HN in the house!

Blast9 · 9th May 2008, 07:53 AM

Awesome Dan! Thanks for sharing... Wot, no plugins!!??

PS really liking The Urgency stuff on myspace

stereomixer · 9th May 2008, 08:45 AM

Dan,
Thank god you showed up. It was getting mighty lonely in here, They keep talking about GEAR dude.

Jonathan is rocking hard is the word. Hey Jon, we start Underoath tomorrow morning, any hints for us?

BEN DEATH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast9

Awesome Dan! Thanks for sharing... Wot, no plugins!!??

PS really liking The Urgency stuff on myspace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Korneff

We stuck the vocal thru a Gates SA-39 and cranked it up!!! It's one of those old compressors from the 50's that's the size of a small oven.

jonathan! HN in the house!

Blast9 · 9th May 2008, 10:36 AM

OMG, that really is fridge-sized! Thanks again Mr Ben D'eath and Dan The Man

stereomixer · 9th May 2008, 03:37 PM

we used to keep beer in it till the tubes heated up. Now we make toast. Its like an easy bake oven.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast9

OMG, that really is fridge-sized! Thanks again Mr Ben D'eath and Dan The Man

Dan Korneff · 9th May 2008, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stereomixer

They keep talking about GEAR dude.

It's a beatuiful thing

Lets have some fun

Dan Korneff · 9th May 2008, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast9

Wot, no plugins!!??

Well, the vocal was already going thru it and dave said "lets crank that ****er up"... so we did

Blast9 · 9th May 2008, 11:02 PM

Oh the luxury!

Anyway that was said in jest... Can't imagine there's much need at \m/ House of Loud \m/ to use plugins!

Shostakovich · 9th May 2008, 11:41 PM

Ok so I will just say that its the band that is not dynamic. What a safe, boring turd. This is everything I hope to never do. I'm really sorry if I offend but, Jesus Lord!!!!!! This is what's wrong with music today. Yeah I feel very strongly and you know what, I'll just say AAAAARGH!!!! It is massively over computed and engineered and just let a damn performance breath! It doesn't have to try to rip my face off, I get it already. On the other hand, you would probably hear my stuff, which by the way has never even come remotly close to a listen by more than 5 people...I've never had or felt the pressure of making a commercial attempt...and um...say 'what a turd'. I can't stand perfection! Let the music flow....

stereomixer · 9th May 2008, 11:56 PM

Shostakovich, its not a problem. You can hate on it and call it crap. BUT, at least we do not call ourselves pretentious names and leave crap lying all over the mixing desk like in your icon. Dude clean that room!!!
Love,
Debussy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shostakovich

Ok so I will just say that its the band that is not dynamic. What a safe, boring turd. This is everything I hope to never do. I'm really sorry if I offend but, Jesus Lord!!!!!! This is what's wrong with music today. Yeah I feel very strongly and you know what, I'll just say AAAAARGH!!!! It is massively over computed and engineered and just let a damn performance breath! It doesn't have to try to rip my face off, I get it already. On the other hand, you would probably hear my stuff, which by the way has never even come remotly close to a listen by more than 5 people...I've never had or felt the pressure of making a commercial attempt...and um...say 'what a turd'. I can't stand perfection! Let the music flow....

Dan Korneff · 10th May 2008, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shostakovich

What a safe, boring turd......It doesn't have to try to rip my face off, I get it already.

Safe, boring turd.... rip my face off... pick a lane.
I'd love to hear some of the AMAZING sonic masterpieces you are making over there. Why dont you pop up a song or two so we can learn from the master.

narcoman · 10th May 2008, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loudmusic25

That's not saying much. Every time I hear Avril Lavagina I reach for the cyanide capsules and then come to my senses realizing that my life insurance policy won't pay if I do myself in.

i refer to her as average lasagne

Blast9 · 10th May 2008, 12:19 AM

Dan... What kind of safe, boring outboard are you enjoying right now?

Do you use the "fridge" on just vox?

27th April 2008, 04:11 AM	#62
keithrt99 Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vallejo, CA, USA Posts: 52	what amps were used ? __________________ http://www.soundclick.com/keithtidd http://www.myspace.com/keithtidd

27th April 2008, 04:13 AM	#63
Crash Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 836	I have to know, was there any sub synth (dbx 120, Kosmos, etc) used on drums? I hear something on the kick on the song Crush, especially in the prechorus where the lyrics are "....Crush...crush, crush, 2,3,4." The curiosty is killing me. Thanks for all you info. in regards to this project. I love it when someone is willing to come on and give a blow by blow of what went down during a session for those interested. __________________ www.miximusmaximus.com

27th April 2008, 04:19 AM	#64
slaves666 Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,146	David Ben used to play guitar in a Canadian band called Thor..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ObPyLJZ5mA __________________ www.upliftproductions.com www.myspace.com/themonarchymusic

27th April 2008, 06:23 AM	#67
stereomixer Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 108	Wow a lot of Questions... Thanks so much for all the questions, I will try and answer some of them on a day off. Right now I am finishing mixing two young Bands Nural and The Urgency. Then I mix Underoath and then start producing and mixing the next Breaking Benjamin. A lot of the questions here are truly great and I can tell there are a lot of serious Engineers and Producers here. I may not have all the answers you want and if I do not I apologize in advance. I will however try and get the right answers. As I previously said I work with three truly incredible engineers and editors. They have been with me for many years and we have made many records as a team. I started with them when they were all quite young. Each guy has an expertise and brings so much musicality to the records we make. They are my dream team. It also really helps to own your own studio as many of you do. Knowing the room and the gear is so important in developing your sound. It is such a great reference point to start any mix or recording. I am a member of many forums and discussion groups, I really lke the honesty and open attitude they bring. I really am not one for immaturity, If I ignore you its probably because you have embarrassed yourself in front of everyone. Making records today is serious business, one that takes many hours of dedication and focus. Editing and recording are all moving at such a fast rate that we all have to keep on top of everything to stay on our game. I have used this forum a few times to gain knowledge, the people that helped me were always respectful and kind. This community works. Having said that, I have made a lot of records before Riot and quite a few after. I hope to make many more. Thanks again for all your kind words. David David Ben

2nd May 2008, 02:41 AM	#70
biggator6 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 809	Since some of our posts got whacked - I'll repost this: In the latest issue of DRUM! magazine - there's a whole article on Zac Ferro (drummer of Paramore). Most of the article is about the time spent in the studio with Mr Ben, and his whole approach to getting the best performances out of the band. Good stuff and worth a read.

27th April 2008, 06:05 AM	#66
KingUgly Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 212	I had been enjoying these songs on the radio, but it was when I saw them performing live on tv when I had to go out and buy the album. It was really refreshing to see non-jaded rock stars actually enjoying themselves up there and having fun. They seem to have little or no attitude (unlike some of the posers, uh I mean, posters here). You really hear the SSL in these mixes. It's almost 80s classic in that regard. I wouldn't mind a little more bite but it's nice and compressed and very pro. I didn't find it grating on the ears. I think this is one of the most refreshing bands in recent memory and I congratulate stereomixer on this huge success.

27th April 2008, 08:10 AM	#69
Zack Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 98	David - Love your work on this album. Sounds really great! Huge drums, rocking mix. Love it. I think it's great that these guys are just teenagers and already have a great career going for them and some sweet and catchy tunes. Good on them.

2nd May 2008, 07:42 AM	#71
thestranger Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 30	db & hol just to add to the thoughts... i can say from experience that ben and his parters in crime are some of the hardest working guys i've ever met. they're in there 16 hours a day, 6 days a week.... i had the pleasure of doing a month of guitars with them last year... kato, bender, dan, and everyone else there are the best guys you could hope to work with on a record. i've also got to say that i was well-challenged while i was there. i definitely left a better player than i was when i arrived. dave, good to see you on here man. BTW, i stuck it out, and things have been like new since last fall.... should i expect an "i told you so"? :) jonathan HN

2nd May 2008, 04:17 PM	#74
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,518	LOL - you need to tick "disable smilies in text" under additional options (at the bottom of the page) when you post: watch this... bendeth rulez __________________ :: my band is called protoangel . My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amp: 1973 Hiwatt DR504 ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Knock-down price Digi 002 + PTLE (ex-Logic guy)

2nd May 2008, 06:11 PM	#75
thestranger Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 30	i rather like the ben-DEATH thing you've got goin on. i'd embrace it. ben 4 ever.

2nd May 2008, 07:32 PM	#76
Colossal Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 52	i guess that well theres not much more for me to say on this topic that hasn't been covered, except to than david for producting a record that has been inspirational to an 18 year old wanabee engineer, it really is one of the best sounding albums i've ever heard. nice one.

9th May 2008, 07:53 AM	#79
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,518	Awesome Dan! Thanks for sharing... Wot, no plugins!!?? PS really liking The Urgency stuff on myspace __________________ :: my band is called protoangel . My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amp: 1973 Hiwatt DR504 ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Knock-down price Digi 002 + PTLE (ex-Logic guy)

9th May 2008, 10:36 AM	#81
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,518	OMG, that really is fridge-sized! Thanks again Mr Ben D'eath and Dan The Man Attached Thumbnails __________________ :: my band is called protoangel . My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amp: 1973 Hiwatt DR504 ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Knock-down price Digi 002 + PTLE (ex-Logic guy)

9th May 2008, 11:02 PM	#85
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,518	Oh the luxury! Anyway that was said in jest... Can't imagine there's much need at \m/ House of Loud \m/ to use plugins! __________________ :: my band is called protoangel . My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amp: 1973 Hiwatt DR504 ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Knock-down price Digi 002 + PTLE (ex-Logic guy)

9th May 2008, 11:41 PM	#86
Shostakovich Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 62	Ok so I will just say that its the band that is not dynamic. What a safe, boring turd. This is everything I hope to never do. I'm really sorry if I offend but, Jesus Lord!!!!!! This is what's wrong with music today. Yeah I feel very strongly and you know what, I'll just say AAAAARGH!!!! It is massively over computed and engineered and just let a damn performance breath! It doesn't have to try to rip my face off, I get it already. On the other hand, you would probably hear my stuff, which by the way has never even come remotly close to a listen by more than 5 people...I've never had or felt the pressure of making a commercial attempt...and um...say 'what a turd'. I can't stand perfection! Let the music flow.... __________________ You don't know who which one you talkin' 'bout!

10th May 2008, 12:19 AM	#90
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,518	Dan... What kind of safe, boring outboard are you enjoying right now? Do you use the "fridge" on just vox? __________________ :: my band is called protoangel . My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amp: 1973 Hiwatt DR504 ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Knock-down price Digi 002 + PTLE (ex-Logic guy)