500 Series Preamp Shootout Saturday April 12th. - Page 8

JTC111 · 21st April 2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

Well, the person who is doing the Elixing would be called the Elixer, right?

Actually, I think the person doing the elixing would be the elixor; those getting elixed would be the elixees. But if you're in England, the meaning changes entirely: the word becomes a phrase and and is part of a king's contractual and conjugational duties to his queen on the third Saturday of every month.

JTC111 · 21st April 2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott LaChapell

These look great, I saw them last year. Unfortunately, they are NOT 500 series modules. Tube Tech is launching their own frame format for this new line of small modules. It seems a bit taller as well.

I scratch my head at why a company would make a proprietary modular system at this point. I think they're cutting off a lot of potential customers considering the popularity of the 500 series.

infopimpster · 21st April 2008, 09:54 PM

Doesn't SSL have their own rack format too?

nosebleedaudio · 21st April 2008, 09:56 PM

And Tonelux also.

Lynn Fuston · 21st April 2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JTC111

I scratch my head at why a company would make a proprietary modular system at this point. I think they're cutting off a lot of potential customers considering the popularity of the 500 series.

Far be it from TubeTech to go with the flow. I don't think they even had a web site until 2003. No joke. People used to ask me all the time about a TubeTech website and there wasn't one. Seriously.

I know some of you probably think I'm joking. Here's what tube-tech.com looked like in February 2003.

|| T U B E - T E C H ||

They make some great gear but staying up with trends (like the internet, ahem) has not been their forté.

Lynn Fuston · 21st April 2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JTC111

Actually, I think the person doing the elixing would be the elixor; those getting elixed would be the elixees. But if you're in England, the meaning changes entirely: the word becomes a phrase and and is part of a king's contractual and conjugational duties to his queen on the third Saturday of every month.

Whoa. Now you're getting seriously off topic (as if the preceding posts weren't).

My apologies to James and all the others who got this thread off to a serious start.

Chunky Karma · 22nd April 2008, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mammath

No, you misunderstood me......or rather, I wasn't too clear in my inquiry.

I was merely asking which microphone input transformer came with the unit(s) tested. The Jensen, or the standard Cinemag? Or, were both used in the test?

Also, does anyone who was there, know if the MA5 was used with AND without the 28k feature engaged?

I'm curious about this as well. In another thread where James was initially checking out this pre it had a Jensen transformer and Telefunken tube. Possibly this is the same one?

Scott LaChapell · 22nd April 2008, 05:40 AM

Hey Guys, good question...

The 583s at the show was James' unit, it does have the Jensen transformer along with a Telefunken tube. This is the same unit used during his initial evaluation you were referring to.

The 583v beta unit that I brought did include the Cinemag input transformer (not the Jensen) AND a new Lundahl output transformer that we're trying out. But, I think more importantly, the vacuum tube in the "V" variant was an Amperex Bugle Boy. These, along with Mullards, Philips, Valvo and some Brimars, are known for having slightly more clarity; the Telefunken smooth plate is known for its' full-bodied sound.

So, although the "V" variant had a different input x-frmr, output x-frmr and tube, the tube alone probably accounted for at least 70% of the overall difference between the two.

Hope that helps...

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Originally Posted by Chunky Karma

I'm curious about this as well. In another thread where James was initially checking out this pre it had a Jensen transformer and Telefunken tube. Possibly this is the same one?

pan60 · 22nd April 2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Farrant

I am noticing a common problem with this thread - the correct spelling for Elixer is actually Elixir

Thanks
Tim.

i thought you said all lower case

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Originally Posted by JTC111

A bunch of them have been on a mint julep binge for days and you expect them to be able to spell??? Your expectations are way too high.

i tried teaching my spell check but that was a waist.
i would spell something it would underline it in red to show me it was incorrect, okay, then what i want to spell is not on the list, so i use the learn option.
now it spell worse then i do.

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Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

Well, the person who is doing the Elixing would be called the Elixer, right?

their you have it

AmplitudeAudio · 22nd April 2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JTC111

I scratch my head at why a company would make a proprietary modular system at this point. I think they're cutting off a lot of potential customers considering the popularity of the 500 series.

ToneLux, SSL, Tube Tech (don't forget dbx 900)

That's the great thing about standards....there are so many to choose from.

TocaLaGuitara · 23rd April 2008, 12:48 AM

Not sure if anyone mentioned this already, but as far as posting the sound clips for people to compare units, what about Studio Auditions dot com? IIRC, Warren was highly involved in the vast microphone shootout posted to that site. I think their page format for audio clip comparison would work great with the variety of pres and sources that were used. Hopefully he'd be open to the idea, and would help facilitate it.

I, for one, can't wait to hear the results of the shootout.

bobwarren · 23rd April 2008, 01:36 AM

NEVE and API have their own racks as well!

JTC111 · 23rd April 2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bobwarren

NEVE and API have their own racks as well!

Ummm... wasn't it API that came up with the idea for the common 500 series format?

matta · 23rd April 2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JTC111

Ummm... wasn't it API that came up with the idea for the common 500 series format?

Actually it was Aphex if I'm not mistaken, Paul borrowed the format from them.

Cheers

Matt

anguswoodhead · 23rd April 2008, 09:26 AM

I must admit I haven't been thru the whole thread - so sorry if this has been answered already.
Were there any JLM Dual 99v or TG500 Pre's in the shootout?
I just bought mine and would be keen to hear some comparisons.
I bought a 10 slot API rack so I still have 8 slots to fill - hmmmm yum!

nosebleedaudio · 23rd April 2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bobwarren

NEVE and API have their own racks as well!

The L200 is a different rack...

JTC111 · 23rd April 2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by matta

Actually it was Aphex if I'm not mistaken, Paul borrowed the format from them.

Cheers

Matt

Then it was API that has attempted to organize it into an industry-wide standard with the VPR Alliance, right?

nosebleedaudio · 23rd April 2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JTC111

Then it was API that has attempted to organize it into an industry-wide standard with the VPR Alliance, right?

I would say no, it was other man. who wanted to make their pres ect to fit into the 500 series.
It's far cheaper to build a module only than the whole deal...

JTC111 · 23rd April 2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nosebleedaudio

I would say no, it was other man. who wanted to make their pres ect to fit into the 500 series.
It's far cheaper to build a module only than the whole deal...

I"m confused. So is API blowing smoke up our asses with the VPR Alliance? I don't recall which maker, but I've seen at least one manufacturer of a 500 module thank API on their website.

...just something to talk about while waiting for the damn shoot-out files to show up

Lynn Fuston · 23rd April 2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JTC111

I"m confused. So is API blowing smoke up our asses with the VPR Alliance? I don't recall which maker, but I've seen at least one manufacturer of a 500 module thank API on their website.

Let me check.

Hmm. Nope. No smoke.

I know that some mfrs. are making 500 series modules that are NOT in the VPR Alliance. I'm not sure what association with the VPR Alliance really means, other than adhering to their standards. There is an interesting note in this press release that mentions that using a third-party "non VPR approved" unit in an API rack will void the warranty for that rack.

API: News: Api Audio Initiates VPR Alliance

Here's the list of approved mfrs. You may notice some names from this thread missing.

API Audio Products

Maybe Tim could enlighten us, since he is an approved mfr.

GilWave · 23rd April 2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

Here's the list of approved mfrs. You may notice some names from this thread missing.

API Audio Products

You can now add Empirical Labs to that list:

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Originally Posted by API Sez...

DerrEsser Welcomed into VPR Alliance
FYI - The DerrEsser was officially welcomed into the VPR Alliance today as a unit was submitted by Dave for compliance testing. It passed our testing with flying colors therefore gets the stamp (or stomp) of approval from us.

As an aside - the DerrEsser sounds fabulous, is very easy to use, build quality is great, and we hope Dave and Gil sell a ton of 'em.

Empirical Labs DerrEsser

**James 'LA' Lugo** · 23rd April 2008, 08:39 PM

I'm making burns all day today. You guys are getting all my love, this is a major project. MP3's will be coming.

JTC111 · 23rd April 2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by James 'LA' Lugo

I'm making burns all day today. You guys are getting all my love, this is a major project. MP3's will be coming.

I punch up Gearslutz; I see that the last post in this thread is by James 'LA' Lugo; I start salivating.... and nuthin'!
I feel like I just got flashed by my sister.

j/k ...I know it's a huge job you're doing... much love right back at ya!

**James 'LA' Lugo** · 23rd April 2008, 09:05 PM

thanks man

male vocal and acoustic guitar are done

elisasound · 23rd April 2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JTC111

I feel like I just got flashed by my sister.

LOL. That is the damn funniest thing I've read all day.

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