Additional inputs for Digi 002R

[b3beater]

I've tried to search the old threads but for some reason the pages kept timing out.. so forgive me if this has been discussed at length....

I'm using an Amek console for the pre's and then going from the TT patchbay into a 002R. I would like to be able to get an additional eight channels of input into Pro Tools but again I am using the mic pre's from the console so it's all going to come down to conversion and not so much pre amp quality in whatever unit I choose.

The obvious choices to me would be the Rosetta 800 or the Focusrite Octopre w/ADAT card... being that while I am not going to be using the higher sample rates (ex: 96k) I want to leave it as an option just incase someone makes a big deal about wanted to record that way....

What are everyone thoughts on these two pieces and are there any other pieces I should be looking at?

Thanks all!

[Duardo]

I'd say the Rosetta 800 would be a better choice...better converters, and if you don't need the preamps I'm not sure why you'd want the Octopre anyhow...

Not sure if you're aware of this, but you can't record at 96kHz via Lightpipe into the 002R...

-Duardo

[natpub]

Depending on how many channels you need, look at the newer Apogee 192X series, and the Firewire X card might also be good in your situation.

[meteor]

i often encounter this same challenge at one of the project studio tracking rooms i work at. a Mytek 8x96 into the ADAT input on the 002R works great. I will say that making the Mytek the master clock of the system cleans things up quite a bit. (it even makes the 002 inputs and outputs sound audibly better). Also, if you have an additional 2 ch. AD of some kind you can simultaneously use the SPDIF input on the 002R. Including the 4 onboard preamps (which are pretty average), that would give you 18 input tracks. Hope that helps...

cheers,

[Jules]

Try searching again we weere probably doing some maintenance or back ups all at the same time causeing the performance slowdown...

[b3beater]

What is the highest rate that can be sent via lightpipe on the 002r... I must admit that I am pretty lightpipe-impaired when it come to my own knowledge base.... this would be the first time actually using it for something.....

[inaudio]

RE: 002R 18 inputs:

I use a Presonus Digimax LT for the extra 8 ins. Not the best but fit my budget. I'm happy with it and mixers who get tracks from me are happy too.

My question of about using the SPDIF for 2 extra tracks - Will it work okay without word clock to sync the additional A/D? I tried it once with Mbox as the convertor and it clicked and popped when using ADAT as the clock.

I have a Deneke AD20 and might consider an Apogee Mini-Me for the digital input - anyone have experience and tips?

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[tele_player]

If you're using two external A/D converters with an 002, they'll need to be synch'ed.

[inaudio]

f you're using two external A/D converters with an 002, they'll need to be synch'ed.

Yeah, I know. Question is, is there any way to do it without a WC input? Noticably Dig does not mention it anywhere in their "18 input" sales crap.

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[pedalboy]

You can do it, I'm pretty sure. Somebody check me on this, but I think you can just set the digi002 to use the Adat (or spdif) clock source and just plug and go... if you use adat, since the wordclock is transmitted via spif without the use of a separate cable, the digi002 should ALSO slave the two-channel pre to the adat. The opposite solution should work too, depending on who makes a better word clock.

[nukmusic]

Note: Heard what the Rosetta 800 does to your music via Adat I/O on a Digi-001..................MAJOR DIFFERENCE. Also, check on Digi's Forum I rememeber someone saying something about 96k via Adat I/O in TOS mode or something like that. But 96k with Spdif works.

[markee2004]

So bassically is what you guys are saying that you can use another sound card (or simmilar) and connect it somehow with your 002R so that you'll have more ins and outs with wich to record, so that for example you could record 16 tracks simultaneous on pro tools?

If so - cool I never new you could do that.

I think we should start an email campaign to digidesign to request them to make an expansion pack for the 002 and 002R of 8 more analogue ins and outs.

P.S Is there anyway you can disable the pre amps on the first 4 channels of analogue/XLR in on the 002R?

[Duardo]

If you're using two external A/D converters with an 002, they'll need to be synch'ed.

Yeah, I know. Question is, is there any way to do it without a WC input? Noticably Dig does not mention it anywhere in their "18 input" sales crap.

They don't really need to...it kind of goes without saying that everything connected digitally in a system needs to be synchronized to the same clock.

Somebody check me on this, but I think you can just set the digi002 to use the Adat (or spdif) clock source and just plug and go... if you use adat, since the wordclock is transmitted via spif without the use of a separate cable, the digi002 should ALSO slave the two-channel pre to the adat. The opposite solution should work too, depending on who makes a better word clock.

That would work if the S/PDIF device was able to clock to its input...so if you had, say, an OctoPre connected via Lightpipe and a digital reverb connected via S/PDIF, and the 002 was clocked to the OctoPre's outputs and the digital reverb was clocked to its S/PDIF input (which was fed by the the 002's output) then it would work. But much more common is a case where you have, say, a MiniMe on the S/PDIF input and an OctoPre on the ADAT input. There's no way to clock the MiniMe to anything since it doesn't have a word clock input, so it has to be the master clock. Problem is it doesn't have a word clock output, so there's no way to directly clock the OctoPre to it. To get that setup to work, you'd have to get something like an Apogee Big Ben or an Aardvark or Lucid clock distribution box that can convert AES to a Word Clock signal, and connect the S/PDIF out of the MiniMe to the 002, the AES out to the distribution box, the Word out of the distribution box to the OctoPre, and the Lightpipe out of the OctoPre to the 002. Everything would then be clocked to the Mini Me. So it's not always easy, and sometimes not even possible.

So bassically is what you guys are saying that you can use another sound card (or simmilar) and connect it somehow with your 002R so that you'll have more ins and outs with wich to record, so that for example you could record 16 tracks simultaneous on pro tools?

Yeah...a converter, or a digital mixer, or a preamp, or anythign with ADAT outs.

I think we should start an email campaign to digidesign to request them to make an expansion pack for the 002 and 002R of 8 more analogue ins and outs.

Not really necessary...there are plenty of options in all price ranges, and chances are if Digi came out with something it would cost more than it needed to.

Is there anyway you can disable the pre amps on the first 4 channels of analogue/XLR in on the 002R?

Well, you can use the 1/4" line inputs...why would you want to use the XLR inputs and disable the preamps?

-Duardo

[amost]

Hey let me ask you this - I am a litepipe newbie also.

All I want to do is send the ADAT out from a Digi 001 thru some type of cheap 8 Channel converter box(along with the 8 analog outs) so that I can get 16 channels to a console to mix that way.

Do I need some external word clock thing in addition to the ADAT converter box to do this?

The other night we tried this sending the litepipe out of the 001 into a Tascam TDIF/Litepipe box into an armed DA-88. That didn't quite get it & I had the sample rates & stuff correct I thought. The audio was showing up but it was being interrupted bigtime.

[inaudio]

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Is there anyway you can disable the pre amps on the first 4 channels of analogue/XLR in on the 002R?

There is a mic/line switch that does exactly that.

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