NIN: Closer Kick Drum?

hduncan · 24th January 2008

What kind of kick drum is used in closer? (I remember hearing that its copied from some other track but I mean, how does one reproduce that sound without copying it?)

Help me with words I might use to describe that sound.. to me, I think of "Thumpy" and soft.. it doesnt seem to have much as far as attacky-transient clickiness, just round and thumpy like..

could this be reproduced with a sine wave?

also, the snare seems to have gated white noise behind it... is that true?

rackdude · 24th January 2008

To me it sounds like samples. I don't know though.

B.Santillan · 25th January 2008

it sounds exactly like a 909 kick sample that I have.

turk sanchez · 25th January 2008

Why don't you just sample it? It's right there and would be easy to grab from the intro.

25th January 2008

The snare is an actual sample from the Roland R70.
The BD is from Nightclubbing but he processed the hell out of it with Turbosynth.

amd · 25th January 2008

The kick and snare sounds just like a 909 to me.

hduncan · 25th January 2008

I am not interested in simply using it, I want to know the makeup of the sound. I want to know what one would describe that kick sound as so that I can start to learn what adjectives the mixing world uses to describe that sort of kick...

but also the technical wave-form description, like... it obviously isnt a recorded kick drum, its synthetic, and it sounds almost like a staccato electric bass guitar note void of any pick noise..

where would I start if I wanted to make that sound from scratch?
without samples.

amd · 25th January 2008

You might want to google "synth secrets" and check out the SOS articles. They have some good info. Good luck!

James Meeker · 25th January 2008

Keep in mind that in that era of NIN, Reznor was really big into processing drum samples and sound with his ARP 2600. That is possibly a factor.

25th January 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissolva

Doesnt the R70 just have a sample of a TR909?

A 909 snare is a noise generator->VCF->VCA. Same thing.

Oh, I thought we were talking about the intro. Yes, later in the song there is a 909-type snare. Could be a burst of noise as well, not sure. I can't remember whether the R70 had a 909 snare sample or if there was a 909 expansion card.

I'm certain that the bassdrum (in the intro, that is) is sampled off "Nightclubbing" and I'm also certain that it was processed with Turbosynth and possibly some outboard gear and Floods ARP2600.

Again, there's almost no sound that wasn't processed on that album.

cable · 31st January 2008

arent there explicit credits to flood for doing the drum programming on that track on an 808?

24th January 2008	#1
hduncan Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fresno, California Posts: 2,011 Thread Starter	NIN: Closer Kick Drum? What kind of kick drum is used in closer? (I remember hearing that its copied from some other track but I mean, how does one reproduce that sound without copying it?) Help me with words I might use to describe that sound.. to me, I think of "Thumpy" and soft.. it doesnt seem to have much as far as attacky-transient clickiness, just round and thumpy like.. could this be reproduced with a sine wave? also, the snare seems to have gated white noise behind it... is that true? __________________ //Hawk Duncan [2.66Ghz i7 MacBook Pro, 8GB, Logic 9, ProFire2626]

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turk sanchez Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Austin Posts: 946	Why don't you just sample it? It's right there and would be easy to grab from the intro. __________________ DannyStapleton.com

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James Meeker Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,256	Keep in mind that in that era of NIN, Reznor was really big into processing drum samples and sound with his ARP 2600. That is possibly a factor. __________________ "Art is magic delivered from the lie of being truth." ~ Theodor Adorno My music: http://www.reverbnation.com/studiodrome

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rackdude Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Orange County, CA or Oberlin, OH Posts: 1,752	To me it sounds like samples. I don't know though.

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B.Santillan Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: kennewick, WA Posts: 234	it sounds exactly like a 909 kick sample that I have.

25th January 2008	#5
thx1138 Guest Posts: n/a	The snare is an actual sample from the Roland R70. The BD is from Nightclubbing but he processed the hell out of it with Turbosynth.

25th January 2008	#6
amd Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 563	The kick and snare sounds just like a 909 to me.

31st January 2008	#11
cable Gear Head Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 57	arent there explicit credits to flood for doing the drum programming on that track on an 808?