Digi won DAW war

[manning1]

the problem with proprietary systems is future MAINTENANCE.
as everything is smt these days its not like the old days when folks could do a lot of fixin' themselves.
ive been down this road before and been burnt. i said never again.

[genericperson]

if anything, the field gets more and more diverse, with more and more low-cost viable platforms.

[spherop]

no doubt pro tools is a wise choice if one is making $ as an engineer.

many are not in that business.

i produce and write. thus for me it's purely about what's the best creative toolset I can put together. and that toolset should retain value, be modular, flexible, cost-effective. it does not matter to me what other people use.

in this context native wins out. cubasesx/lynx l22/uad1/psp/voxengo/NI/sonalksis. dreamy.

[manning1]

i'm staying native too.......
because i dont want the maintenance problems.
if theres one thing i know is there is a studio equation
if you graph it , mannings laws.....from past experience...
1. the more gear you get = more possibility of something screwing up
2. creativity songwise decreases the more gear i got
(cos i'm worrying bout maintaining it all)
3. the good lord sometimes rewards me for being a good lad
if i use junkyard/cast off amps etc and punishes me if i
spend lots of money.
ive never seen an AE yet that can explain to me why he needs more than say powertracks (29 bucks 49 digital audio tracks)
and say a reasonably decent sound card like an rme ......
i bet george martin would do stoking tunes using this.
its the young guys ive met that believe you need more than you really do.

[Fletcher]

Originally posted by gear is cool
in all do respect you are way wrong on this one (at least in my scene)
lots of bands artists etc... have projects that are 1/2
finished that need to track and mix and all are in pro tools...
some just plain ask "do you have pro tools" i dare say that they dont even know what it is , but they ask for it anyway, i've never had 1 client that asked if we have cakewalk motu or cubase or digital preformer or anything else other than 2" or pro tools hd...

However, all of the files from these various platforms are transferable via "Broadcast Wave Files", which if I'm not mistaken is part of the NARAS proposal for delivery and archiving.

In other words, if any system is capable of printing "Broadcast Wave Files" you can hop from system to sytem without a problem... which means, that while your clients may understand the "buzz word", you should understand the meaning... the meaning is that you can use whatever system you like as the files will be compatible.

Granted, your client will have to print the sounds with the plugins on them if it's the whoa big daddy of sonic importance to the project, as Pro-sTools definitely has the best of the plug in sets... but it's best to try to stay away from those crutches to begin with so I reckon it's kind of a judgment call.

... and to some previous poster... the "Yawn" was about how dumbass this thread is... I have never seen nor used nor do I give a flying rat's ass about Cakewalk... I'm just really fukking tired of "ShitiDesign is king and the rest can go home now" threads.

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

Originally posted by Fletcher
I'm just really fukking tired of "ShitiDesign is king and the rest can go home now" threads.

Vive Le Atari 1040ST & Notator pro!!!!!

Wiggy

[manning1]

fletcher - i stay away from plug ins for a number of reasons...
1. less load on processors so one doent need big pc power.
2. i think one learns more experimenting with the old ways
from the 50's thru 70's trying to get natural room sounds.
also i figure the old timer AE's could do it before plug ins
were around so its my ineptitude ..... one of my favorite songs is on broadway done by (urm george benson version) - and others are the old guitar instrumentals. only the other day i was listening to some oold moody blues. all these great songs were done before plug ins were around.

[jtienhaara]

Fletcher:

More useful than just Broadcast Wave Files are OMF and AES 3.x, which include more than just audio data + credits etc. Or is nobody in the pro world using these any more?!? (In semi-pro, OMF 2 is still the standard.)

I'd be curious to know more about the NARAS archiving standard if you have a link.

Incidentally I don't give a rat's ass about Cakewalk either. I was posting about CreamWare, a powerful but cheap DSP-based system.

Which perhaps you don't give a rat's ass about either, but hey, I got my plug in, so I'm happy.

Johann ("Some previous poster")

[Kamurah]

My Creamware cards are one of the best investments I ever made.

Have had a lot of equipment come and go over the years....but I don't think I will ever part with those cards.

Personally I think they sound head and shoulders above anything else I have heard as far as DSP based mixing, effects, and synths go.

Now if they'd just port SFP to OSX I'd be in heaven.

My .02 cents (as another minority Creamware lover)

:)

[jtienhaara]

Originally posted by Kamurah

Personally I think they sound head and shoulders above anything else I have heard as far as DSP based mixing, effects, and synths go.

Hi Kamurah! One of these days we'll take over the world, eh?... :)

Since CW marketing (not entirely unlike Sebatron, Tube-Tech, and so on) is non-existant, I wanna plug them:

Anyone who doesn't know CreamWare should check out Fairlight Consoles, which use CreamWare SCOPE cards and CreamWare plugins. Pretty cool mousetraps.

What you get when you buy a CreamWare "Professional" card:

• 14 DSPs;
• Impressive dynamics, mixers, effects;
• Routing flexibility way beyond anything else on the DAW market.

Anyone running or starting up a semi-pro studio should seriously consider CreamWare cards. You don't get the "Pro Tools" name. But then you don't get the Digi 002 crippleware or the HD1 price either.

Oh, and Fletcher, since you love Cakewalk so much -- you can use Cakewalk with CreamWare cards. But only if you really love it.



Oh, and -- just to tweak you -- SH*TDESIGN IS KING!!!

Johann
CreamWare pusher

[natpub]

Originally posted by jtienhaara
Fletcher:

I'd be curious to know more about the NARAS archiving standard if you have a link.

http://www.grammy.com/pe_wing/guidel...liveryRecs.pdf

http://www.grammy.com/pe_wing/guidel...otools209h.pdf

[Yannick]

[*] Routing flexibility way beyond anything else on the DAW market.
[/b]

No, no no, no !

THE most flexible routing is on the Soundscape DAW mixers, or mixtrime cards

Soundscape rules !
They are winning the war, Digi just won a battle or twenty

[Caveman]

Its just that Fletch is pissed off because ShittiDesign won't give him a dealership - err um "License" to print more cash than he already does

[jtienhaara]

Originally posted by natpub
http://www.grammy.com/pe_wing/guidel...liveryRecs.pdf

http://www.grammy.com/pe_wing/guidel...otools209h.pdf

Thanks Natpub!

That Pro Tools guide is actually 99% relevant to any other software, too. "Delete loud noises from tracks before sending out the session." I'm amazed that anyone needs to be told this. But a LOT of people do...

Anyway thanks for the links, much appreciated.

Cheers,

Johann

[joeq]

to paraphrase Voltaire

"If Pro Tools did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it."

I think many AEs and studio owners WANT there to be an industry standard, WANT it to be priced out of the reach of individual musicians, enthusiasts and dabblers, maybe even hope that it is harder to learn and use.

If there were no Pro Tools some other DAW would have been elevated to the Industry Standard Throne, every commercial studio would have to have it, all the customers would know they were supposed to ask for it, and it would cost twice as much as the competition. The company that made that product would make more money but would also feel the need to keep raising the bar (and the price) and so on.

Why do rich people go to Club La Di Dah and pay $20 for a drink? So they won't have to sit next to you!

[David R.]

I read the first post in this thread and would like to translate:

PC's are better than Mac.

Is Analog better than digital?

Tastes great or less filling?

American cars are the best.

Does Berringer Suck?




Please debate each topic in length.

[Ruphus]

Originally posted by joeq
So they won't have to sit next to you!

I think this is very true.
And this to be the mechanism for that they can´t have enough with 10 mios, 20, 100, and in the same way can´t even stop at 1 billion, 2, 10, 50 ...
Merely for that one can´t get rid of those who keep sitting close. And even at the day when nobody seems to sit next to them pecuniary anymore, then there will still be someone who has a bigger land or more power, or better shape, health or whatever one can have.

All this and all the distrcution on behalf of it according to psychology only happening because can´t-stand-someone-next spirits havn´t been sincerely hugged as kids.

( Apropos, you guys still have my plastic bucket, - I´m gonna tell Jules. grudge )

Our world it appears is pretty complex, whilst its background since mens straight impact on the blue ball seems just as banal as a classical rockinghorse. The plain radio shack models, a teetering plank with handle and catch.




Ruphus