How to achieve reverse reverb type effect?

[GlassPrisoner79]

I'm fairly new to the game so help a brother out! I'm trying get a "reverse reverb" effect similar to the Avril Lavigne song "Girlfriend" (YouTube - Avril Lavigne - Girlfriend) in the parts where it's "Hey you" and "No way".

If you listen closely there's like a reverse trail before the singing and I'm trying achieve a similar effect.

What's the procedure for this? Is there some specific effects thats being put in the send for this, or is something manually done where I cut that first word and literally put it before and reverse it with heavy reverb?

Thanks for any help.

[kosi]

You can try this:
1 take your vocaltrack (or whatever),
2 turn it around in your DAW,
3 then add reverb to the reversed Vocals and
4 record the reverb on an extra track.
5 Turn this recorded reverb around and adjust it to the first real Voacal tarck, it's like a mirror.

Worls also great with Delays

[BoogieMonster]

Let's say you want to process the word "hey".

1. cut, duplicate and reverse "Hey" --->"yeH"
2. pick a reverb to your liking and process the copy.
3. reverse the processed file again and match its end to "Hey"s start.
4. add automation to your liking (optional)

Hope this helps,

Ete

Originally Posted by GlassPrisoner79

I'm fairly new to the game so help a brother out! I'm trying get a "reverse reverb" effect similar to the Avril Lavigne song "Girlfriend" (YouTube - Avril Lavigne - Girlfriend) in the parts where it's "Hey you" and "No way".

If you listen closely there's like a reverse trail before the singing and I'm trying achieve a similar effect.

What's the procedure for this? Is there some specific effects thats being put in the send for this, or is something manually done where I cut that first word and literally put it before and reverse it with heavy reverb?

Thanks for any help.

[orksnork]

easy enough if you were using a daw...

send an verb to a track and print it...

reverse it and put it where you want...

[richardswag]

It used to scare the shit out of me doing this with 2" - making sure I'd calculated the track numbers correctly. Not that it's complicated maths or anything - but with tiredness you can do stupid things, right? - see various other long, amusing and classic threads about that... And of course it's always when everyone's tired/bored/stuck for ideas that the brilliant notion of doing something that involves turning the tape over raises it's ugly head.

[richardswag]

Originally Posted by orksnork

easy enough if you were using a daw...

send an verb to a track and print it...

reverse it and put it where you want...

But not the same thing as doing it as the classic way as Kosi and BoogieMonster explained.

[Drumsound]

Originally Posted by richardswag

It used to scare the shit out of me doing this with 2" - making sure I'd calculated the track numbers correctly. Not that it's complicated maths or anything - but with tiredness you can do stupid things, right? - see various other long, amusing and classic threads about that... And of course it's always when everyone's tired/bored/stuck for ideas that the brilliant notion of doing something that involves turning the tape over raises it's ugly head.

Whenever I do this I sit ther with the track sheet in hand, put my pencil on 24 and count 1-2-3- etc until the pencil is on the open track that will get the reverb return (or backward cymbal or guitar).

[orksnork]

Originally Posted by richardswag

But not the same thing as doing it as the classic way as Kosi and BoogieMonster explained.

i wouldn't have even offered an explanation having read their posts...
but we all responded at just about the same second...

[Mosby]

Originally Posted by orksnork

easy enough if you were using a daw...

send an verb to a track and print it...

reverse it and put it where you want...

I think you've got the steps reversed - in that method the words would still be backwards. You'd have to reverse the word/phrase first, then send it.

[MarkRB]

HA, one of the few things that was actually easier to do with a tape machine.......

[Lee]

somehow I don't think so...

[orksnork]

Originally Posted by Mosby

I think you've got the steps reversed - in that method the words would still be backwards. You'd have to reverse the word/phrase first, then send it.

ahh didn't think of that...
i've never felt the need to do it...and i'm sure i would've noticed that quite fast in my trials

[MarkRB]

Originally Posted by Lee

somehow I don't think so...

You've never seen me work a computer mate.

Anway all the DAW methods mentioned above are just bodges, shuffling regions around and 'lining up' audio, they work fine but aren't easier than flipping a reel.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by richardswag

It used to scare the shit out of me doing this with 2" - making sure I'd calculated the track numbers correctly. Not that it's complicated maths or anything - but with tiredness you can do stupid things, right? - see various other long, amusing and classic threads about that... And of course it's always when everyone's tired/bored/stuck for ideas that the brilliant notion of doing something that involves turning the tape over raises it's ugly head.

werd 3am mixing and flipping bkgs on a slave reel and reversing track numbers ..i made the assitant and producer ALL agree on the numbers..just like firing a nuke off a sub ..redundancy

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by MarkRB

HA, one of the few things that was actually easier to do with a tape machine.......

Yer nuts.

But seriously, you're just wrong.

I did it plenty of times on tape and it's a pain.

(And I'm not some tape dilletante -- I've got over 120 reels of tape in my old tape locker, multitracks and mixes. And I'm no newcomer to digital multitracking, either, I put together my first 8 channel DAW in '96 and did radio production on the computer before that.)

And, not only that, but the tape process has to be real-time! How mid-20th century! I can have my reverse 'verb on my track and moving on to whatever's next while you're still rolling tape.

(OK -- I do note that you imply you're not facile with a computer, so maybe for you it works out that way. We all do work differently. )


In answer to the post above that -- he's talking about simply printing a 'forwards' reverb only track, reversing that and slipping it to the right location.

Originally Posted by Sigma

werd 3am mixing and flipping bkgs on a slave reel and reversing track numbers ..i made the assitant and producer ALL agree on the numbers..just like firing a nuke off a sub ..redundancy

The math is actually easy, though. If the empty track "forwards" is t and the number of tracks total on the tape format is n, the empty track with the reels flipped will be n + 1 - t.

eg, If you want to put your reverse 'verb on empty track 23 on a 24 track tape, t = 23, n

[top] 24, so 24+1

25 and 25-23 = 2 -- so you'll dump your 'verb into track two.

If you want to put reverse verb on empty track 8 on a 16 track, the math is 16+1 = 17 and 17-8 = 9 -- so track 9 once you're flipped.

[Mike Caffrey]

I've always found it far easier with tape.



Back to the OP, what makes you think that it's a reverse reverb and not a processed overdub? It would be pretty easy to sing it with that dynamic and then put a heavy reverb on it.