When Doves Cry - Page 2

nd33 · 10th December 2007, 10:44 AM

So where is this Prince production thread that yall keep talkin about starting?

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paultools · 10th December 2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timtoonz

I always thought the most "Prince-y" of drum machines was the Oberheim DMX.

I can't think of any songs that used an Oberheim drum machine.

Terry & Jimmy wore the DX out, especially on Cherelle "Didn't Mean to Turn You On and Alexander "What's Missing"

Anyone know what Taavi Mote is up to?

James Guitar · 10th December 2007, 08:22 PM

what is the drum machine being used on 1999? that's a classic prince sound and i always wondered what was making it.
as well, there's a "drum" sound that occurs in both "when doves cry" and in "1999". in "when doves cry" it's acting as the snare (it's hit twice and repeated, starting at 0:03) and in 1999 it kind of has a 16th-note repeating thing going on with it (also first heard at 0:03 (radio edit) coincidentally enough). is that a modified/pitched linn sample? fairlight? old-skool mic and cable? i'd love to know what that sound is...
thanks
-J

Steamy Williams · 10th December 2007, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Guitar

what is the drum machine being used on 1999? that's a classic prince sound and i always wondered what was making it.
as well, there's a "drum" sound that occurs in both "when doves cry" and in "1999". in "when doves cry" it's acting as the snare (it's hit twice and repeated, starting at 0:03) and in 1999 it kind of has a 16th-note repeating thing going on with it (also first heard at 0:03 (radio edit) coincidentally enough). is that a modified/pitched linn sample? fairlight? old-skool mic and cable? i'd love to know what that sound is...
thanks
-J

It's reported to have been a Linn LM-1 combined with Boss pedals (vibrato, octaver, flanger, etc).

paultools · 10th December 2007, 08:36 PM

Linn LM-1 pitched way down with delay

James Guitar · 10th December 2007, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paultools

Linn LM-1 pitched way down with delay

thanks. you talking about that knocking-on-a-door sound in both 1999 and doves cry?

**Jules** · 10th December 2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TEMAS

Thanks for the tip on the Linn drum sound. I've never heard of them before and I'll be checking them out.

OK thats it, I am OFFICIALLY "old"!

Sounds Great · 11th December 2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jules

OK thats it, I am OFFICIALLY "old"!

I hear ya.

There was recently a Linn LM-1 up on Ebay for $6,000.

Not sure what it actually sold for, it appears to have been sold off line.

I had a lot of experience with the Linn 9000 which is also pretty great. They pop up occasionally a lot more reasonable. My song 'Evertrue' was nothing but a Linn 9000 and me. Very crude programming on my part, though. (On my MySpace link)

sedohr · 11th December 2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by littledoodler

... my favorite has to be Under the Cherry Moon/Parade...Sometimes it snows in April.

Talking about a bright guitar sound..that acoustic..yikes. But it becomes the song somehow, a beautiful song. And a great album.

Kalli

David R. · 11th December 2007, 12:59 AM

What kills me about Prince is we can have a page on his production, a page on his songwriting, and 10 more on his musicianship and live performances.

The guy is amazing. Not every song is a gem (some are dogs), but he really has some beautiful ones.

Starfish and Coffee
Morning Papers
Tangerine
Purple Rain

I could go on and on and on and on.....

paultools · 11th December 2007, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Guitar

thanks. you talking about that knocking-on-a-door sound in both 1999 and doves cry?

Deeply effected Linn sidestick

theron d · 11th December 2007, 05:15 AM

Add in there:

Erotic City
She's Always in My Hair
Shockadelica
Another Lonely Christmas

All his mid-80's stuff was a genius on top of his game...

Quote:

Originally Posted by David R.

What kills me about Prince is we can have a page on his production, a page on his songwriting, and 10 more on his musicianship and live performances.

The guy is amazing. Not every song is a gem (some are dogs), but he really has some beautiful ones.

Starfish and Coffee
Morning Papers
Tangerine
Purple Rain

I could go on and on and on and on.....

KingDaddyO · 11th December 2007, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jules

OK thats it, I am OFFICIALLY "old"!

My thoughts exactly ... Yikes !

jamsmith · 11th December 2007, 06:54 AM

Funkiest Groove Ever: Sexy M-F

(Horns - stand please.)

travisbrown · 11th December 2007, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamsmith

Funkiest Groove Ever: Sexy M-F

(Horns - stand please.)

Agreed. Shame about the rap though. Prince should stay far, far away from having rap in his songs.

I was talking to John Blackwell, Prince's recent drummer, last year. Found it interesting when he said Prince came up with most of the beats in his songs - John and past drummers, for the most part, played Prince's drum grooves. Made me appreciate the scope of Prince's composition and arrangement. In comparison, I have some unedited sessions of James Brown where you hear his compositional style was to vocalize a couple bars of a horn riff to show the band what he meant, then count off and let the band do its thing. Tune would go on for 15-20 minutes of grooving and different lyrical threads, then they'd edit into a song. Couple tracks on "Motherload" where you can hear this.

James Guitar · 11th December 2007, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paultools

Deeply effected Linn sidestick

now THAT'S awesome.

-J

jamsmith · 11th December 2007, 05:43 PM

I fully understand people dislike of the rap/hip-hop genre. Never has so a genre been filled with such crap. But dislike of a music technique itself. That like hating Bela Flek because rednecks play banjos. Prince SHOULD rap because he does it so much better than 90% of the rappers out there.

Buy an Eminem record and vibe. After a while, you may understand.

Blast9 · 11th December 2007, 05:55 PM

I know what you're sayin g, but compare him with Method man or any of the Wu_tang crew... er Clan... or Common or even that nutter Cee-Lo, it just doen't do it for me either. I much prefer his quirky singing voice.... Buuuut I'm not gonna take anything away from him!

hookiefree · 11th December 2007, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theron d

Add in there:

Erotic City
She's Always in My Hair
Shockadelica
Another Lonely Christmas

All his mid-80's stuff was a genius on top of his game...

No doubt. She's Always in My Hair and Another Lonely Xmas are my two prince favs of all time.

travisbrown · 11th December 2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamsmith

I fully understand people dislike of the rap/hip-hop genre. Never has so a genre been filled with such crap. But dislike of a music technique itself. That like hating Bela Flek because rednecks play banjos. Prince SHOULD rap because he does it so much better than 90% of the rappers out there.

Buy an Eminem record and vibe. After a while, you may understand.

You are misunderstanding me. I didn't say I disliked the technique; I grew up on PE, Run DMC, NWA, Slick Rick, Maestro Fresh Wes (cause I'm Canadian), Tribe, etc. I fully appreciate rap. I have a healthy complement of hip hop albums in my collection. You are being little quick to jump to conclusions.

Name one Prince song that has rapping and doesn't sound, well, cheesy? He's an awful rapper himself, but even when he has guest rappers on, it's like the music and beats aren't conducive to the style. Even "Undisputed" on "Rave Un2..." with Chuck D, my all time favourite rapper and rap lyricist, falls flat.

I think there is good reason Prince gave up flirting with rap. I think he recognized that he didn't do it well and it just didn't fit with his music.

TEMAS · 11th December 2007, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theron d

Erotic City
She's Always in My Hair

These two would definately be in my top 10.

So would Uptown on Dirty Mind

Steamy Williams · 11th December 2007, 10:38 PM

Erotic City & Uptown would be in my top 10 too!

FYI, the drums on 'Erotic City' were done with a LinnDrum, rather than the LM-1.

ToddF · 13th December 2007, 06:43 AM

Residing here in Minneapolis, we are lucky and get to work with former/current Prince members all the time.

Prince and The Revolution drummer, Bobby Z. has an office at our studio and is a good friend. Some of Bobby's Simmons drum modules and other things are stored here. Yes the LinnDrum was used alot on records.

Bobby's brother, David Z. produced and engineered lots of Prince tracks. Also many other cool records, Fine Young Cannibals, Big Head Todd and the Monsters, Kenny Wayne Shepherd etc.

I can see if anyone can answer any specific questions.

Doubtful the Purple one would chime in.

Last I heard he wanted to make a new house in the shape of the Prince symbol.

Peace, Todd

Drumsound · 13th December 2007, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travisbrown

Agreed. Shame about the rap though. Prince should stay far, far away from having rap in his songs.

I was talking to John Blackwell, Prince's recent drummer, last year. Found it interesting when he said Prince came up with most of the beats in his songs - John and past drummers, for the most part, played Prince's drum grooves. Made me appreciate the scope of Prince's composition and arrangement. In comparison, I have some unedited sessions of James Brown where you hear his compositional style was to vocalize a couple bars of a horn riff to show the band what he meant, then count off and let the band do its thing. Tune would go on for 15-20 minutes of grooving and different lyrical threads, then they'd edit into a song. Couple tracks on "Motherload" where you can hear this.

That's interesting and not surprising to me. One of my all time favorite Prince tracks is Tambourine from Around the world in a day. It's mostly just Prince on drums, tambourine and a ton of stacked vocals. His drumming kills!

littledoodler · 13th December 2007, 08:15 AM

tambourine: that song rips!

littledoodler · 13th December 2007, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nd33

So where is this Prince production thread that yall keep talkin about starting?

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Where's Prince? lets get 'em on here.

Dopamine · 13th December 2007, 08:39 AM

<< Deeply effected Linn sidestick >>

That's an interesting bit of trivia.

3121 Rocks as well as the other albums mentioned. Prince is the man! Who else can jam on keys, gtr, drums, as well as sing and write hit after hit" AND he's funky!

Has anyone here done sessions with him?

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David R. Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Left Coast, and don't call it 'Frisco Posts: 1,594	What kills me about Prince is we can have a page on his production, a page on his songwriting, and 10 more on his musicianship and live performances. The guy is amazing. Not every song is a gem (some are dogs), but he really has some beautiful ones. Starfish and Coffee Morning Papers Tangerine Purple Rain I could go on and on and on and on..... __________________ -David R. "An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way." - C. Bukowski

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jamsmith Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,046	No Rap? I fully understand people dislike of the rap/hip-hop genre. Never has so a genre been filled with such crap. But dislike of a music technique itself. That like hating Bela Flek because rednecks play banjos. Prince SHOULD rap because he does it so much better than 90% of the rappers out there. Buy an Eminem record and vibe. After a while, you may understand. __________________ Screamin' Michael Jamsmith - www.jamsmith.com "You CAN polish a turd, but you just end up with a shiny turd."

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nd33 Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 189	So where is this Prince production thread that yall keep talkin about starting? _

10th December 2007, 08:22 PM	#33
James Guitar Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 540	what is the drum machine being used on 1999? that's a classic prince sound and i always wondered what was making it. as well, there's a "drum" sound that occurs in both "when doves cry" and in "1999". in "when doves cry" it's acting as the snare (it's hit twice and repeated, starting at 0:03) and in 1999 it kind of has a 16th-note repeating thing going on with it (also first heard at 0:03 (radio edit) coincidentally enough). is that a modified/pitched linn sample? fairlight? old-skool mic and cable? i'd love to know what that sound is... thanks -J

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Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,816	I know what you're sayin g, but compare him with Method man or any of the Wu_tang crew... er Clan... or Common or even that nutter Cee-Lo, it just doen't do it for me either. I much prefer his quirky singing voice.... Buuuut I'm not gonna take anything away from him! __________________ :: my band is called protoangel My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amps: 1973 Hiwatt DR504::Framus Dragon ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Digi 002 + PTLE, Addictive Drums

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Steamy Williams Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London (formerly Scotland) Posts: 827	Erotic City & Uptown would be in my top 10 too! FYI, the drums on 'Erotic City' were done with a LinnDrum, rather than the LM-1.

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ToddF Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 585	Residing here in Minneapolis, we are lucky and get to work with former/current Prince members all the time. Prince and The Revolution drummer, Bobby Z. has an office at our studio and is a good friend. Some of Bobby's Simmons drum modules and other things are stored here. Yes the LinnDrum was used alot on records. Bobby's brother, David Z. produced and engineered lots of Prince tracks. Also many other cool records, Fine Young Cannibals, Big Head Todd and the Monsters, Kenny Wayne Shepherd etc. I can see if anyone can answer any specific questions. Doubtful the Purple one would chime in. Last I heard he wanted to make a new house in the shape of the Prince symbol. Peace, Todd __________________ Todd Fitzgerald Producer/Engineer Winterland Studios Minneapolis API Legacy + http://www.winterlandstudios.com

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Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,547	Anyone here done sessions with him? << Deeply effected Linn sidestick >> That's an interesting bit of trivia. 3121 Rocks as well as the other albums mentioned. Prince is the man! Who else can jam on keys, gtr, drums, as well as sing and write hit after hit" AND he's funky! Has anyone here done sessions with him?

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