renbass and maxxbass

[pete]

does anybody knows if I can get with both of those two plugins more or less the same result?
I used maxxbass in another studio on kick and got a very nice bottom end - now I tried to get the same sound in my own studio with renbass (dont have maxxbass) and it didnt worked for me but maybe I`m not tweaking it the right way...

as far as I understood both of them add subharmonicss to the signal...

anybody used both of them with success?
thx

[andrewj]

wow real interested in that one, too!

i worked with maxxbass years ago. now i bought renbass for my setup and got what i wanted! but perhaps it is too long ago to realize if there are big differences!

i read that renbass sounds a biot warmer but is close to the other one! i never compared both!

[Sigma]

AGHHHHHHHHH look at the display and LISTEN ...the MAXX bass is a HARMONIC generator not a subharmonic generator it fools you into percieving more bottom

[scius]

Originally Posted by Sigma

AGHHHHHHHHH look at the display and LISTEN ...the MAXX bass is a HARMONIC generator not a subharmonic generator it fools you into percieving more bottom

so what does renbass do?

[Sigma]

let me call up a session and insert it and i'll tell ya inna minute

ehhh same thing a harmonic generator..NOT a subharmonic generator

the dbx 120 was a real subharmonic generator

[scius]

so would using the sine-wave-keyed-to-a-gate trick achieve the same effect as a dbx120?

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by scius

so would using the sine-wave-keyed-to-a-gate trick achieve the same effect as a dbx120?

the 120 moves to the note i believe..when i have a thin kick and i don't want to relpace it i just put in the old 60hz tone thru a keyed gate..i remember in rap day some producers ran a low 40 or 60 hz THRU a whole tune to ehh "thicken it up"

[TonyBelmont]

The 120 XP is an extremely slept on piece of gear... I'm glad I have one in my rack.

[andrewj]

wow i thought of this one years ago.

then i was looking for the big bottom from aphex and ended with the spl vitalizer!

can anyone compare these to eachother by the way? the vitalizer did nice things for my ear! but i received phase issues on a lot of stuff!

[pete]

Originally Posted by Sigma

let me call up a session and insert it and i'll tell ya inna minute

ehhh same thing a harmonic generator..NOT a subharmonic generator

the dbx 120 was a real subharmonic generator

so both plugins do the same..? why not sound the same?

[media marcus]

I used to put the RenBass on my Bass tracks, but almost every time after giving it a second listen would go back and take it out. I recommend blending it pretty low with source track if you choose to use it. Subtlety is key.

[Sigma]

i decided to see what Waves said so i don't have to go over this in my words ad infinitum


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The Renaissance Bass technology is the 2nd-generation development from the patented MaxxBass algorithm, and uses the psychoacoustic properties of the hearing mechanism to increase perceived bass.

Waves developed this technology to allow audio engineers to selectively add harmonics which significantly enhance the bass perception by the listener, and most importantly, beyond the range of the speaker's conventional frequency response.




Renaissance Bass takes the MaxxBass algorithm to greater effectiveness and simpler operation. The process has been refined and is even more effective than the original processor. In addition, a simplified user interface helps achieve top-quality sound with quick adjustment, whether in post, mixing mastering, or multimedia. Renaissance Bass software PlugIn is now available at Waves dealers worldwide on all supported Waves Macintosh platforms. Windows support to follow soon.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by media marcus

I used to put the RenBass on my Bass tracks, but almost every time after giving it a second listen would go back and take it out. I recommend blending it pretty low with source track if you choose to use it. Subtlety is key.

i use the maxx bass when i get tracks were there is no real bottom on a bass and i gotta mix it quick

[Ivandovich]

I used to have Renbass in my old Mac OS 9 Pro Tools set up, but not aymore, miss it sometimes.
Are there any other plug-in manufacturers (not Waves) that make a similar plug-in these days?

[scius]

How do you use RBass effectively? It always sounds like sh!t to me

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by scius

How do you use RBass effectively? It always sounds like sh!t to me

What he said works for me:

Originally Posted by media marcus

I recommend blending it pretty low with source track if you choose to use it. Subtlety is key.

[scius]

Do you more often use "In" or "Out?"

Do you try to set the freq at the tonic note?

Before or after compression?




"use your ears" oh word thanks

[macleodgrant]

what you're looking for is logic's SUBBASS plugin...that plug rocks. the max bass and renn bass only add higher harmonics and is meant to make small speakers psychoacoustically represent the bass better - fools your brain into thinking there's more bass

this will only muddy up the sound on normal systems unless used very sparingly

[macc]

If you want to pretend there's low end, use maxx/ren bass.

If you want there to actually BE low end, use eq (or a subharmonic generator).



Personally I hate the things and agree that they muddy the mix. How can they not, really, based on the work they work?

[TML]

Kinda has an "August and Everything After" vibe. I like when you belt... it's real.
Tim

[DontLetMeDrown]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

what you're looking for is logic's SUBBASS plugin...that plug rocks.

Sounds interesting. Anyone know of a 3rd-party plug that does this?

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by DontLetMeDrown

Sounds interesting. Anyone know of a 3rd-party plug that does this?

i think izotope ozone can do multiband harmonic excitement which should be able to do this but perhaps izotope trash could also as it also have an exciter from what i understand.

aphex also do plugins for TDM and i think PSP should have something in the mix pack that could do it too

some people use a noise gate with sidechain from the bass to trigger a sine wave from a synth to fill in the lows

[andrewj]

definately trash and ozone rock and offer a lot to fatten up you bass as well as the rest of your frequencies!

[mr jkn]

My tip of the day!:

50 Hz Kicker (vst only, though) by dev Loser. THE tool for making heavy kicks, and deep bass - and it´s free!

VST Plug-Ins by Michael Gruhn (formerly known under the LOSER-Development pseudonym)

[marcan]

Originally Posted by DontLetMeDrown

Sounds interesting. Anyone know of a 3rd-party plug that does this?

Yes mda SubSynth does that very well. Very versatile, free and sometimes better than paid plugs. Voxengo do something similar, this one is better for distortion but mda is better for the sub exciter.