DANGER TWO BUS NOT IMPRESSED

ClubAlvinStudio · 20th May 2004, 02:30 AM

Well today i got to demo the dangerous two bus out and i did not like it and will skip this one, i went to there studio and did an a/b with a 192 and the dangerous two bus and decided that it didnot meet my standards. To me the digi 192 blew away summing with the D2B , D2b reminded me of putting a BBE across the bus, i felt that the D2B took away low mid definition and upper mid definition which is very important in mixing, like i said reminded me of a BBE, and i went there with another engineer friend and he felt the same way. I kept telling the guy i wont mention his name that it took away low end definition and he keep trying to tell me about the hi end, duh that wasn't the problem so im going to skip this one, not saying that i am a authority on sound but can tell the differents of lossed low mids so i hope the people at dangerous don't get mad at me, but i tried to be on your side, but this time digi won out. Not that im a digi fan either, I do own a digi rig too that i use, but i am not happy with digidesign because of there marketing policy and deep pockets, ive been with digi through there session 8 days all the way up to the mix plus situation, and if you ask me there was nothing wrong with 16 bits nobody complained back then and everyone is chasing the dragon now . PEACE CLUB ALVIN STUDIO NYC

Scinx · 20th May 2004, 02:35 AM

What is the point of posting this multiple times son?

djui5 · 20th May 2004, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scinx
What is the point of posting this multiple times son?

I was wondering the same thing..he posted it 6 times...

LaLaFaV · 20th May 2004, 02:46 AM

How did you get that paragraph all out in one breath? I feel winded from just reading that

I had a D2BLT and after a month of use, I couldn't justify the price to myself because it didn't make my mixes better. If I had alot of outboard analog equipment to mix with, I would probably think different. ITB is just more efficient for the way I work.

ClubAlvinStudio · 20th May 2004, 02:53 AM

I really went there with an open mind. I really wanted to buy there products but i wasn't impressed. And you ask why so many posts, well there are so many driffrent opions id like to hear from everybody about this issue. I really wanted to believe in them being that there right down the street from me. I didnt mean to upset some of you people out there, im by no means trying to put dangerous studio's down. I wish i could of liked what i heard, but i didn't, and i went to the guitar cener and they even suggested i just stay with the digi 192. Which did sound better alone ?

initialsBB · 20th May 2004, 03:01 AM

I don't think there are multiple posts. This one seems to be about the Danger Two Bus and there is another about the Danderous Two Bus which I believe is manufactured by ducks. A subtle but important distinction.

thethrillfactor · 20th May 2004, 03:10 AM

What were you hoping or wanting to hear?

Its really just a summing amp, a really clean sounding one at that.

entropy · 20th May 2004, 03:17 AM

please someone delete all our boys extra postings.... this is just going to get messy

djui5 · 20th May 2004, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ClubAlvinStudio
you ask why so many post well there are so many driffrent opions id like to hear from everybody about this issue

You think everyone can't see a new post in just one forum?

posting that many posts will cause mass confusion

Sammas · 20th May 2004, 03:38 AM

I think you need to look at the differently in terms of technique... not as the "miracle poor mix fixer".

I havent used one personly but i imagine you need to use slightly differing mixing practices when using analog summing compared to summing within protools.

Its like a Car, and a Plane. Both are transport devices, both get you from A to B... yet they both require different skills and use a different medium to get there.... (ok so maybe its a very differing comparison but anyway).

analog summing, and digital summing are both summing, but again use a different medium, and most likely a slightly different technique to get to the final product.

someone please tell me if im wrong...

I guess all thats left to ask is, did you monitor out through the D2B? and mix the project using the monitoring that comes out of the D2B? or did you just whack the D2B on the end of your 192 and think it would suddenly breathe new life into your protools mix?

(sorry if it sounds a little accusational, i didnt intend for it to be like that. Im just very curious to know is analog summing actually provides any sonic benefits...)

Scinx · 20th May 2004, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by djui5
posting that many posts will cause mass confusion

In his case, posting any posts will cause mass confusion...back to the regular scheduled program

djui5 · 20th May 2004, 04:18 AM

I think this offically get's the vote for the longest sentence ever created....

denial · 20th May 2004, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ClubAlvinStudio
well today i got to demo the dangerous two bus out and i did not like it and will skip this one i went to there studio and did an a/b with a 192 and the dangerous two bus and decided that it didnot meet my standards, to me the digi 192 blew away summing with the D2B , D2b reminded me of putting a BBE across the bus i felt that the D2B took away low mid definition and upper mid definition which is very important in mixing like i said reminded me of a BBE and i went there with another engineer friend and he felt the same way i keep telling the guy i wont mention his name but i keep telling that it took away low end definition and he keep trying to tell me about the hi end duh that wan't the problem so im going to skip this one not saying that i am a authority on sound but can tell the differents of losted low mids so i hope the people at dangerous don't get mad at me but i tried to be on your side but this time digi won out, not that im a digi fan either i do own a digi rig too that i use, but i am not happy with digidesign because of there marketing policy ive been with digi through there session 8 days all the way up to the mix plus situation and if you ask me there was nothing wrong with 16 bits nobody complained back then and everyone is chasing the dragon now . PEACE CLUB ALVIN STUDIO NYC

Please consider going back to school and learning to punctuate and write. Maybe even try to use capital letters and throw caution to the wind by using the occasional paragraphs. I can't possibly take this post seriously when it's written like a five year old.

genericperson · 20th May 2004, 05:02 AM

club alvin,

i'm not trying to be a weenie here, but...

what is with your run-on sentence crap?

this is not a radio call-in show hosted by an egomaniac. you *can* take a breath and say what you want without being "hung up" on by the host.

it came off like this: "gee, i better not shut up for one second or they will hang up on me... keep talking, keep talking! force my words in there before they hang up on me!...whew! i got it all in and they didn't hang up on me!!!"

natpub · 20th May 2004, 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by patrox247
I no understand why you no like Dangerous 2b cuz to me I'm like you know its cool and you no it's no like BBE acrross 2 buss and I'm like mid range defination important too so my opinion 2B can be like very usefull you know?

hahaha

kevinc · 20th May 2004, 05:33 AM

I don`t buy this for a second.

This has got to be a joke.

Is that you Alpha ?

tanker · 20th May 2004, 06:16 AM

Quote:

I no understand why you no like Dangerous 2b cuz to me I'm like you know its cool and you no it's no like BBE acrross 2 buss and I'm like mid range defination important too so my opinion 2B can be like very usefull you know?

Awesome.
Somebody beat me to it, but thanks for the laugh.

ClubAlvinStudio · 20th May 2004, 06:24 AM

As far as my long winded sentence's go you can add your own comma's if your not to stupid to do that, sorry for leaving them out as i see some of you need them to understand what i am saying, any way like i said earlier i went to there studio with an open mind because i was very interested in buying there product, and after the demo i was not impressed. I wish i was , i felt that there unit took away some deffinition in sound , i was not alone on this either as i went with another top engineer that i respect his ears and opinion, and he felf the same way. We heard the D2B with the 192 and with out and you could hear a big driffrents, they are the one's who set everything up and i was ready to buy, but i felt the 192 sounded better on its own, this is only my opinion, i do have friends that swear by them, so i really wanted to hear something driffrent , and i did . Thanks for all your reply's and im not trying to dog out dangerous studio at all .
(sorry guys at dangerous)

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kevinc · 20th May 2004, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ClubAlvinStudio
as far as my long winded sentence's go you can add your own comma's if your not to stupid to do that, sorry for leaving them out as i see some of you need them to understand what i am saying,

Yeah. I appreciate the commas. Very nice.

If you would be kind enough to add some periods I think we might have something here.

Capital letters after the periods of course.

Now really. Who are you ?

Are you Mixerman ?

Sammas · 20th May 2004, 07:16 AM

yeah, 0 posts before this one... lacking any spelling ability, posting the same thing in 6 forums, and not to mention the fact that you used capital letters for all of the titles...

sounds kinda like a troll to me...

but back to my question, did you/"they" mix inside the box then plug the D2B for the direct comparison? or did you mix through the D2B then listen, then mix through the 192 and listen??

No one is trying to make the D2B a "miracle box". You just have to use it right to get the right results... sounds like you apparently didnt.

ClubAlvinStudio · 20th May 2004, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by djui5
You think everyone can't see a new post in just one forum?

posting that many posts will cause mass confusion

Randy get a life !

Duardo · 20th May 2004, 07:22 AM

Quote:

(sorry guys at dangerous)

Somehow, I think the guys at Dangerous will get through this just fine, despite the findings of you and "another top engineer" and the guy at Guitar Center.

-Duardo

Chris Parsons · 20th May 2004, 07:29 AM

What were you useing for converters into the D2B?

1nation · 20th May 2004, 07:33 AM

Quote:

I wish i could of liked what i heard, but i didn't, and i went to the guitar cener and they even suggested i just stay with the digi 192

oh yeah, well I went to guitarget and they told me that berringer was pro equipment,

syra · 20th May 2004, 08:05 AM

Guys, I think you're being a bit hard to ClubAlvinStudio...given this may be a legit thread, he just wanted to express his feelings about the D2B in a long non-stop 20 line sentence...cut him some slack...

djui5 · 20th May 2004, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ClubAlvinStudio
Randy get a life !

ha...so what your saying is you didnt' understand what I said and replied with some lame answer....I get it.

ClubAlvinStudio · 20th May 2004, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1nation
oh yeah, well I went to guitarget and they told me that berringer was pro equipment,

the guitar center is supposed to be a dealer for dangerous & digi , and they recomended not buying the two bus and stay with digi 192 , i thought that was cheesy , but after i heard the driffrents i'll keep on mixing with the 192

ClubAlvinStudio · 20th May 2004, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris Parsons
What were you useing for converters into the D2B?

digi 192 with and without, two bus seem to color the sound

ClubAlvinStudio · 20th May 2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thethrillfactor
What were you hoping or wanting to hear?

Its really just a summing amp, a really clean sounding one at that.

yes it is clean sounding but it took away some of the deffinition that was very noticeable

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20th May 2004, 02:30 AM	#1
ClubAlvinStudio Gear interested Join Date: May 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 10	DANGER TWO BUS NOT IMPRESSED Well today i got to demo the dangerous two bus out and i did not like it and will skip this one, i went to there studio and did an a/b with a 192 and the dangerous two bus and decided that it didnot meet my standards. To me the digi 192 blew away summing with the D2B , D2b reminded me of putting a BBE across the bus, i felt that the D2B took away low mid definition and upper mid definition which is very important in mixing, like i said reminded me of a BBE, and i went there with another engineer friend and he felt the same way. I kept telling the guy i wont mention his name that it took away low end definition and he keep trying to tell me about the hi end, duh that wasn't the problem so im going to skip this one, not saying that i am a authority on sound but can tell the differents of lossed low mids so i hope the people at dangerous don't get mad at me, but i tried to be on your side, but this time digi won out. Not that im a digi fan either, I do own a digi rig too that i use, but i am not happy with digidesign because of there marketing policy and deep pockets, ive been with digi through there session 8 days all the way up to the mix plus situation, and if you ask me there was nothing wrong with 16 bits nobody complained back then and everyone is chasing the dragon now . PEACE CLUB ALVIN STUDIO NYC

20th May 2004, 02:35 AM	#2
Scinx Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northeast USA Posts: 515	What is the point of posting this multiple times son? __________________ . W H A T • I S • S C I N X ? http://www.scinx.com

20th May 2004, 02:46 AM	#4
LaLaFaV Gear maniac Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 293	How did you get that paragraph all out in one breath? I feel winded from just reading that I had a D2BLT and after a month of use, I couldn't justify the price to myself because it didn't make my mixes better. If I had alot of outboard analog equipment to mix with, I would probably think different. ITB is just more efficient for the way I work. __________________ Lance LaFave www.myspace.com/lancelafave

20th May 2004, 03:17 AM	#8
entropy Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: QLD. Australia Posts: 1,023	please someone delete all our boys extra postings.... this is just going to get messy __________________ Pro Audio Pimp at www.brisound.com.au The Australian home of A Designs Audio products.

20th May 2004, 02:53 AM	#5
ClubAlvinStudio Gear interested Join Date: May 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 10	I really went there with an open mind. I really wanted to buy there products but i wasn't impressed. And you ask why so many posts, well there are so many driffrent opions id like to hear from everybody about this issue. I really wanted to believe in them being that there right down the street from me. I didnt mean to upset some of you people out there, im by no means trying to put dangerous studio's down. I wish i could of liked what i heard, but i didn't, and i went to the guitar cener and they even suggested i just stay with the digi 192. Which did sound better alone ?

20th May 2004, 03:01 AM	#6
initialsBB Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: LA Posts: 747	I don't think there are multiple posts. This one seems to be about the Danger Two Bus and there is another about the Danderous Two Bus which I believe is manufactured by ducks. A subtle but important distinction.

20th May 2004, 03:10 AM	#7
thethrillfactor Gear Guru Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 11,233	What were you hoping or wanting to hear? Its really just a summing amp, a really clean sounding one at that.

20th May 2004, 03:38 AM	#10
Sammas Gear nut Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 140	I think you need to look at the differently in terms of technique... not as the "miracle poor mix fixer". I havent used one personly but i imagine you need to use slightly differing mixing practices when using analog summing compared to summing within protools. Its like a Car, and a Plane. Both are transport devices, both get you from A to B... yet they both require different skills and use a different medium to get there.... (ok so maybe its a very differing comparison but anyway). analog summing, and digital summing are both summing, but again use a different medium, and most likely a slightly different technique to get to the final product. someone please tell me if im wrong... I guess all thats left to ask is, did you monitor out through the D2B? and mix the project using the monitoring that comes out of the D2B? or did you just whack the D2B on the end of your 192 and think it would suddenly breathe new life into your protools mix? (sorry if it sounds a little accusational, i didnt intend for it to be like that. Im just very curious to know is analog summing actually provides any sonic benefits...)

20th May 2004, 04:18 AM	#12
djui5 Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 6,681	I think this offically get's the vote for the longest sentence ever created.... __________________ _________________ "What is a crossfire hurricane & why wasn't I born in one?" Randy Wright http://www.myspace.com/djui5

20th May 2004, 05:02 AM	#14
genericperson Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 522	club alvin, i'm not trying to be a weenie here, but... what is with your run-on sentence crap? this is not a radio call-in show hosted by an egomaniac. you can take a breath and say what you want without being "hung up" on by the host. it came off like this: "gee, i better not shut up for one second or they will hang up on me... keep talking, keep talking! force my words in there before they hang up on me!...whew! i got it all in and they didn't hang up on me!!!"

20th May 2004, 05:33 AM	#16
kevinc Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Beantown Posts: 2,464	I don`t buy this for a second. This has got to be a joke. Is that you Alpha ? __________________ - Kev

20th May 2004, 06:24 AM	#18
ClubAlvinStudio Gear interested Join Date: May 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 10	As far as my long winded sentence's go you can add your own comma's if your not to stupid to do that, sorry for leaving them out as i see some of you need them to understand what i am saying, any way like i said earlier i went to there studio with an open mind because i was very interested in buying there product, and after the demo i was not impressed. I wish i was , i felt that there unit took away some deffinition in sound , i was not alone on this either as i went with another top engineer that i respect his ears and opinion, and he felf the same way. We heard the D2B with the 192 and with out and you could hear a big driffrents, they are the one's who set everything up and i was ready to buy, but i felt the 192 sounded better on its own, this is only my opinion, i do have friends that swear by them, so i really wanted to hear something driffrent , and i did . Thanks for all your reply's and im not trying to dog out dangerous studio at all . (sorry guys at dangerous)

20th May 2004, 06:29 AM	#19
jazzius II Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,005	put in some line breaks it makes it easier to read l a t e r z . . . . . . .

20th May 2004, 07:16 AM	#21
Sammas Gear nut Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 140	yeah, 0 posts before this one... lacking any spelling ability, posting the same thing in 6 forums, and not to mention the fact that you used capital letters for all of the titles... sounds kinda like a troll to me... but back to my question, did you/"they" mix inside the box then plug the D2B for the direct comparison? or did you mix through the D2B then listen, then mix through the 192 and listen?? No one is trying to make the D2B a "miracle box". You just have to use it right to get the right results... sounds like you apparently didnt.

20th May 2004, 07:29 AM	#24
Chris Parsons Lives for gear Join Date: May 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 635	What were you useing for converters into the D2B?

20th May 2004, 08:05 AM	#26
syra Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: L.A. Posts: 1,423	Guys, I think you're being a bit hard to ClubAlvinStudio...given this may be a legit thread, he just wanted to express his feelings about the D2B in a long non-stop 20 line sentence...cut him some slack...